I suppose. I really don't feel there are any 'bad' authors here. I feel there are some who have been taxed out but I completely respect their work. There are books that absolutely suck balls. Palaces of light come to mind. But I feel the author has reached the end of his frame with the DL series and has nothing left as far it's concearned. He has (Mr. Boot) written some good books. For the same discussion I could critisize Mr. Pollata or even the favored AP, or Mr. Chuck for that matter. Example, for Mr. AP, WHat to hell happened to the 13 year old pregnant girl after Labyrinth? That bothered me especially after you almost whacked her with the 'trannie' trying to puke on her face before JB saved her.?

Also Doom Helix, Did Ryan boink Ronbo's Girlfriend? Is that why Krysty and her stared at eachother at the end? Did he give her a little sumpin sumpin? And Dr. Huth, wtf? List that mother f***er getting his face ripped off and eaten, especially after 3 books dedicated to the cause. Not just 'Dragged away' . Was this made so a different author can somehow bring him back? With a mind control or something?

And Mr. Chuck, Where to hell did the frozen pizzas and 100+year old bottles of beer come in? There is no way you would hold frozen pizzas for 100 years without them cooking like absolute ass. Same way with refridgerated beers for 100 years.




The point is, I think it's great people are still writing these books. And I believe even if a member has a bad book I shouldn't complain.

So...what I was saying is it's just dumbshit that should never really matter in a series that a person is following, and I am gratefull to the people who pen such a series that I have read for 21 years,

 

SP,

If you want different endings, you should write your own books.

Offhand, there are three reasons for not completing every character's storyline (by "completing" I mean either killing them off in gruesome detail, marrying them off, showing every sex scene thrust by thrust, or adding them to the crew).  1) Because that's the way, uh-huh, I LIKE it, and this may be a shocker--I don't write books for you; 2) because when you are writing a series you never know who you might want or need to resurrect in a later book. I intended to resurrect Harmonica Tom, Ryan's Mexican double (can't remember his name, it's five in the morning here), and the stranded "Lord" from Empire of Xibalba in the book after DH, which was going to be set in Antarctica, but then decided I'd had enough of the whole effing mess and cancelled the contract. The 13-year-old girl was passed off to a safe place, as I recall. Why would Ryan boink Ti in the cave? That is just whack. 3) Not dotting every i and crossing every t is called leaving a little something to readers' imagination. Re: Dr. Huth,I went into laborious detail about what the specters did to lots of other characters. Not much imagination required there.

If I bored the shit out of myself while writing I could never have finished anything. Maybe that would have been a blessing, but we can't turn back the hands of time.

AP

 

 

I believe the yong girl in labyrinth was supposed to be live happily ever after in the next book but due to a book swap that book was put back and another took its place.
Read that somewhere on here.

Posted By silentalbino on 16 Jun 2012 02:46 PM
I believe the yong girl in labyrinth was supposed to be live happily ever after in the next book but due to a book swap that book was put back and another took its place.
Read that somewhere on here.

I think that book swap post was about something else. Sunspot, maybe. I can't imagine wasting space writing about a girl living happily ever after. Talk about being bored shitless.

Yeah, Sunspot and Apocalypse Unborn are the ones that got their order swapped. So then as released you had the companions recognize a particular type of nasty bug in Sunspot, and then later on in Apocalypse Unborn they encounter the same bug "for the first time" and don't know anything about it. Sucks to be a writer. You try to throw in some actual continuity, and then get screwed over for it and the readers think you are a moron.

AP: I never would presume that one of your novels were in fact written for ME. As far as I was concearned the thread OP posted a critique thread and I was pointing out some anal hair conclusions that I personally wanted resolved.

 

Dr. Huth got dragged away by stickies, the specteres were gone at that point, they were not the cause of his demise. He was still wearing his battlesuit though.

 

Ryan has boinked other woman before under more dire conditions, it would of been nothing new.

The teenage girl made the jump with the companions, next book she was gone. I never cared if she lived happily ever after, just wanted to know where they had jumped to and dropped her off, hell you could have killed her off for all I care.

And I was glad Chucho made it at the end, Does that mean another author can bring him back? How does that work?

As I stated, this seems to be a critique thread so as far as I am concearned these are just some small questions I had about a few books. I have allready stated that I like your work.

 

 

,

Posted By AP on 16 Jun 2012 03:03 PM

Posted By silentalbino on 16 Jun 2012 02:46 PM
I believe the yong girl in labyrinth was supposed to be live happily ever after in the next book but due to a book swap that book was put back and another took its place.
Read that somewhere on here.

I think that book swap post was about something else. Sunspot, maybe. I can't imagine wasting space writing about a girl living happily ever after. Talk about being bored shitless.

Woops, wrong again.

Posted By SP on 16 Jun 2012 03:28 PM

AP: I never would presume that one of your novels were in fact written for ME. As far as I was concearned the thread OP posted a critique thread and I was pointing out some anal hair conclusions that I personally wanted resolved.

 

Dr. Huth got dragged away by stickies, the specteres were gone at that point, they were not the cause of his demise. He was still wearing his battlesuit though.

 

Ryan has boinked other woman before under more dire conditions, it would of been nothing new.

The teenage girl made the jump with the companions, next book she was gone.

 

,

You obviously remember the books better than I do. But ... the battlesuit has to run out of power at some point, Huth has to eat at some point; he can't stay in there forever, and he can't get out of the cave. And whether it's stickies or specters it doesn't change the fact that I have described ad nauseum how the muties in question kill people. In my books has Ryan ever willingly boinked anyone but Krysty?  I don't remember.

Re: teenage girl.  I didn't write "the next book." The only time I've written consecutive books was Empire of Xibalba. What would the point have been for me to show the girl stepping out the mat-trans FOUR BOOKS LATER?  This is a stable-written series with no communication between authors, no oversight of series story arcs. How many times does this have to be explained before it sinks in?

AP, what in your universe happened to her then. I think they ate her.

Posted By silentalbino on 16 Jun 2012 03:48 PM
AP, what in your universe happened to her then. I think they ate her.

Correct. But not before they all boinked her.

Ha ha, no eiffel towers i hope.

Posted By AP on 16 Jun 2012 03:44 PM

Re: teenage girl.  I didn't write "the next book." The only time I've written consecutive books was Empire of Xibalba. What would the point have been for me to show the girl stepping out the mat-trans FOUR BOOKS LATER?  This is a stable-written series with no communication between authors, no oversight of series story arcs. How many times does this have to be explained before it sinks in?

 

Just this once I imagine. As before I joined these forums, I never knew the authors didn't read or become familiar with the previous novel. Or have communication with eachother over where the progression of the story line is.

 

And this was the first time hearing it, so thanks for the explanation.

 

So what about Chucko? Could someone bring him back with your consent? Or how does that work?

 

You mean "Chucho"? Now I remember the name. I don't know what the process would be. As I understand my agreement with Harlequin, they only own the series main characters. All the characters I created are mine. Hard to imagine one of the other writers wanting to bring back one of my characters, or GE allowing them to, though.

Posted By AP on 16 Jun 2012 04:18 PM
You mean "Chucho"? Now I remember the name. I don't know what the process would be. As I understand my agreement with Harlequin, they only own the series main characters. All the characters I created are mine. Hard to imagine one of the other writers wanting to bring back one of my characters, or GE allowing them to, though.

 

 

In my mind it would make the current authors job easier provided they at least read Dark Ressurection to familiarize themself with the character. Especially if it was something the fans wanted and the character's creator didn't have a problem with it. It shouldn't be any skin off GE's ass. Of course I don't understand what contracts and stipulations the authors have for the company. Oh well.

 

 

Posted By AP on 16 Jun 2012 03:44 PM

You obviously remember the books better than I do.

 

 Not at all. I have simply read or re-read from previously owning most of my e-bay/amazon shipment's as they have been coming in. And after learning that you wrote the Shadow world trilogy I read all of your work first.So I have read about 30 books in as many day's and most are still fresh in my mind. As I would not ask a question of an author without being very familiar of his work.

'Tis better if I look like an ass, then a dumbass.

 

SP,why you think AP is the favored author is crazy.It was just a yr ago I questioned AP about Doom Helix as you r doin now.And now I'm his unofficial agent....But like Ron said,its got be a bitch to write DL's books for all the hundreds and hundreds of fans.(joke)

I kinda disagree, Diablo.

 

If any author is 'burned out' - then he knows it.

 

So stop writing them. Simple as that. Take a break. Write something else. Take a sabbatical.

 

All one has to do is to write what you love, and kinda see what the overall fans like in their stories. Think outside the box, instead of rehashing the same 'ol 'Bad baron in ville who loves to tweak the titties of youngsters' theme.

 

There is yet TONS of wealth storyline to choose from in this series, despite it being the longest running post holocaust series. Just chron jumps alone could give any writer countless stories....

Posted By Maximus on 22 Jun 2012 03:46 PM

I kinda disagree, Diablo.

 

If any author is 'burned out' - then he knows it.

 

So stop writing them. Simple as that. Take a break. Write something else. Take a sabbatical.

 

All one has to do is to write what you love, and kinda see what the overall fans like in their stories. Think outside the box, instead of rehashing the same 'ol 'Bad baron in ville who loves to tweak the titties of youngsters' theme.

 

Easy for you to say, Maximus.

Writers in the GE stable work hand to mouth. In order to make a poverty level wage at current pay rates a GE writer would have to churn out a minimum of three to four books a year. What would you have them do during the "sabbatical"? Go on Welfare? Clean windshields at busy intersections? How are writers supposed ta, kinda see what overall fans like in their stories? I'm counting maybe a dozen posters on this site. So do you mean "overall," as in seven fans? Or would that be eight?

Writers are supposed to only write what they love. (I read that somewhere. Or was told it, I forget.) If GE writers love to write about December-May titty tweaking, if that is the engine that drives them get up in the morning and pound the keys, who are you denigrate their choice of theme? That's like calling Van Gogh's squiggly trees a "rehash." 

And shouldn't all DL readers get down on their knees and be thankful that the recurring theme isn't December-May Eiffel Towers?

I don't know a bit of spitroasting would maybe liven up the series,how about in a hotel room with two premiership players!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By SP on 16 Jun 2012 04:06 PM

Just this once I imagine. As before I joined these forums, I never knew the authors didn't read or become familiar with the previous novel.

I once asked Nick P about reading the previous few books in the series or the earlier ones before he wrote his efforts and was told

 "...I am paid to write books not read them, if GE were to pay me to read the old books then I would. Why (do) I need to read another writers work before penning my own?"

That is the reason NP makes the characters so unlike what they are and fills them with such sh!te as petrol powered gateways, stupid mutations etc.

Jim

Did you ask him that on here or somewhere else? What an attitude to have!!

Posted By silentalbino on 26 Jun 2012 12:29 PM
Did you ask him that on here or somewhere else? What an attitude to have!!

I posted it here, but on an earlier version of the board and like all good spine donors his reply came by way of a PM. Along with the comment in question here he also had several other less than good things to say about DL, LJ  and JA.com.

I really wish I had kept that one.

Jim

Posted By )3az )3aziah on 27 Jun 2012 11:36 AM

Posted By silentalbino on 26 Jun 2012 12:29 PM
Did you ask him that on here or somewhere else? What an attitude to have!!

I posted it here, but on an earlier version of the board and like all good spine donors his reply came by way of a PM. Along with the comment in question here he also had several other less than good things to say about DL, LJ  and JA.com.

I really wish I had kept that one.

Jim

He really should of had nothing  derogative to say about LJ, I mean why would he? The man wrote the series until he died!

I take it he doesn't post here anymore.

 

Nor has he penned a great or solid DL in years.

Why in bloody blazes had it had to be HIM to write the comeback of Dean?

AP, Chuck Rogers, or John Morgan could've done a much better job of that.

Posted By SP on 27 Jun 2012 01:42 PM 

He really should of had nothing  derogative to say about LJ, I mean why would he? The man wrote the series until he died!

I take it he doesn't post here anymore.

 

For the record....LJ quit writing DL in late 1995...he wrote one more book, Crucible of Time, which was published in 98. He passed away in February of 2000.

Posted By Jax2 on 27 Jun 2012 08:56 PM

Posted By SP on 27 Jun 2012 01:42 PM 

He really should of had nothing  derogative to say about LJ, I mean why would he? The man wrote the series until he died!

I take it he doesn't post here anymore.

 

For the record....LJ quit writing DL in late 1995...he wrote one more book, Crucible of Time, which was published in 98. He passed away in February of 2000.

I know. I also know you wrote Stone face, the book directly after his linkage was stopped (Eclipse at Noon). And I enjoyed yours and the other authors books also.

I was just stating that the author in question had zero contribution in the down-time between Eclipse at noon and Crucible in time, Moreso the first 33 books. so he really shouldn't have anything negative to say about LJ or how he wrote the series.

 

Everyone is entitled to there say, just as we are entilted to say what we think of HIS story writing ability. Nothing positive on both accounts

Posted By silentalbino on 27 Jun 2012 09:19 PM
Everyone is entitled to there say, just as we are entilted to say what we think of HIS story writing ability.

You are confusing a website with "democracy." Actually, NONE of us are entitled to ANYTHING. We are here by Ron's SUFFERANCE. Cross the line and you will cease to exist.

But one shall never cross said line. One is a paragon of virture and Justice.

SP: *sigh* Once again: Ryan has never (willingly) had sex with anyone over the course of the series besides Krysty. He was raped once by a stickie in Moon Fate, but that's it, despite many women making passes at him.

(Edit: "Over the course of the series" meaning "since he met Krysty". Technically, he's done it with a few other women, like Sharona and Hunaker, but those were years in the past.)

Baz: Wow. That explains a lot.

Double post.

 

 

Posted By Kerrick on 29 Jun 2012 01:32 AM

SP: *sigh* Once again: Ryan has never (willingly) had sex with anyone over the course of the series besides Krysty. He was raped once by a stickie in Moon Fate, but that's it, despite many women making passes at him.

(Edit: "Over the course of the series" meaning "since he met Krysty". Technically, he's done it with a few other women, like Sharona and Hunaker, but those were years in the past.)

Baz: Wow. That explains a lot.

 

Kerrick, *sigh*, Read Chill Factor. Fom your own wiki. "Gratefull for Ryan saving her life Kate seduces Ryan into having sex with her" <--- Was not forced. Also I just re-read the book again, so...

And why did you bring this up? Have I asked AP or someone again or something?

No.

 

He was also forced to bang Pyra Quade in Dectra Chain.

 

I just wish more sex in future books for the one-eyed bastard.

From these book titles it appears that the only DL writer interested in writing about extramarital sex for Ryan, willing or otherwise, over the course of more than 100 books was LJ. And he's been dead a long time. The porno content of post-apocalyptic fiction in the 80s probably helped build its reputation as the bottom of the science fiction barrel. (Please note I didn't say "garbage can.") That and plot concepts that were cliches when LJ was a boy.

Personally, writing sex scenes has always made me uneasy because I can imagine what readers are doing with their free hand. Much more difficult to visualize the same action on the part of readers if I'm describing someone getting a giant-flea-critter-acid-puke shower bath. Not that it couldn't still be happening ... and probably is. Perhaps a new site poll is in order?

I personally think LJ's sex scenes 'fit' into the series. Not EVERY book has to have it, but I liked it being a part of the series or storyline. It balanced all the violence out to me.

 

Now, I am not saying it has to be thrown in there for the sake of having a sex scene. But lets face it - sex sells. And in a world such as this, where one can die at any moment, our lizard brains scream - procreate! 

Besides, when Chuck had Jak FINALLY get a woman, (or two, such as in the last book), I found myself cheering for him. That boy needs release!

 

J.B. and Mildred I don't recall have had a sex scene. Or even an implied one! (Not in my memory, leastways.) And I can see a gifted writer penning one for them when maybe the chips are way down, and they think it might be their last day or few minutes together. 

I have a few friends, both men and women, or read this series, and they all agree, they kinda miss the old-fashioned sex scenes that used to be in these books. AP, you wrote one in your last book, or very close to your last book, that I remember. It may not have been as graphic as LJ used to write - but it doesn't have to be. The fact that Ryan and Krysty just did it on the ground, and even thought of it, was great. I recall the exact words they said to each other, but AP made it cool and touching. See, its all about balancing out all the gratuitous violence for me.

Gratuitous sex balancing out gratuitous violence? Yeah, I could see how that would work.

Still a poll would be nice. And present and future DL authors could use it as a guideline to base percentage of content on. I'm kind of surprised that GE hasn't commissioned one themselves.

Reader Survey

1) What masturbation fodder do you prefer in your DLs?

Sex

Violence

2) Does your mother know you are using her computer?

It's really weird to me how people think writing in a sex scene in a book is so 80's.

 

But the level of maximum violence is never questioned. 

 

Does that say something about today's society?

 

(And hell no my mom doesn't know I'm using her computer!)

Posted By AP on 29 Jun 2012 02:44 PM

Gratuitous sex balancing out gratuitous violence? Yeah, I could see how that would work.

Still a poll would be nice. And present and future DL authors could use it as a guideline to base percentage of content on. I'm kind of surprised that GE hasn't commissioned one themselves.

Reader Survey

1) What masturbation fodder do you prefer in your DLs?

Sex

Violence

2) Does your mother know you are using her computer?

Ask and ye shall receive.

Posted By Maximus on 29 Jun 2012 02:50 PM  

Does that say something about today's society?

Not really. Read some history. Nothing has changed. We are still as God (or evil-ution) made us. The advances of technology only MAGNIFY the bad things we are capable of.

Sheesh, Maximus, this is Intro to DL (DL 101) course material.

But sex and violence are always mixed in together. History or no.

Most violent cases are because of sex, or lack therof.

 

Then there's the religion aspect. This has caused more wars than any sexpot.

Posted By Maximus on 29 Jun 2012 03:06 PM

But sex and violence are always mixed in together. History or no.

Most violent cases are because of sex, or lack therof.

 

Then there's the religion aspect. This has caused more wars than any sexpot.

Problem here is, you're agreeing with me, but you don't seem to understand that.

This thread has took a turn into the Edo Van Belkom realm.

I honestly thought the companions were going to ditch their guns and clothes at any minute and run a train on Krysty or Mildred in Skydark Spawn.

Or Ryan and JB would sudenly become bi-curious. *me shudders

God I was creeped out.

 

 

Posted By Kerrick on 29 Jun 2012 01:32 AM

 He was raped once by a stickie in Moon Fate, but that's it

Just to be a stickler, he had to boink her 3 times, and then forced to eat some sticky va-jay-jay, while she tried to smother him with it...

Well if we're being gross and everything. I pride myself with at least knowing the facts of the books.

I could really give two shits less about the sex in the books. I just dislike inuendo's that don't fall into fruition.

As far as that absurd poll? Well if all I had to fap to was a DL novel then I would hope I was at least in prison...

 

 

 

 

I have maintained all along that DL and OL only need such scenes if they are absolutely necessary to the plot line, otherwise they are just "thrill fill" for those that cant legally purchase or download "Wrist exercise" material.

SP is quite correct in saying Ryan has been in action away from home several times throughout the series, including when LJ held the pen!

Jim

SP: First off: sorry. I didn't mean to jump on you so hard, but someone (obviously not you) did indeed claim that Ryan's had sex with other women before (nd not that long ago, either).

Second: Kate Webb tried to seduce Ryan, but he rebuffed her. Where did you read that line you quoted? I can't find it.

Third: Pyra Quadde raped one of her sailors, named Kenny, not Ryan. That's in the summary. She wanted Ryan, and even had him taken to her cabin to do the deed, but he escaped before she could.

JB and Mildred have never had a graphic scene like Ryan and Krysty, but I do recall a time or two when there was some action that was a little more than implied. For my part, I think the sex scenes are part and parcel of pulp fiction, just like the excessive gore.

Posted By Kerrick on 03 Jul 2012 01:18 AM 
For my part, I think the sex scenes are part and parcel of pulp fiction, just like the excessive gore.

You're right. The plots (and I use the term loosely) in DLs are almost always contrived to provide opportunities (excuses) for graphic violence. Sex plays a relatively insignificant role, and when it does show up, it is just as contrived, and usually is bizarre and sadistic--witness the bug almost put up Krysty's butt in one of the early LJ books (PTH or Homeward Bound, can't recall). IMO, that says more about the author and his choices/"interests" (more than we ever wanted to know?) than the series.

I know I wrote some over the top gross-out stuff, but I always looked at it as satire, which is invariably lost in DLs. Oh well ... it got me through the ordeal. Perhaps LJ was thinking the same thing with the bug in her butt? Or Doc being forced to copulate with hogs?

Different strokes (pun).

AP

Posted By Kerrick on 03 Jul 2012 01:18 AM
SP: First off: sorry. I didn't mean to jump on you so hard, but someone (obviously not you) did indeed claim that Ryan's had sex with other women before (nd not that long ago, either).

Second: Kate Webb tried to seduce Ryan, but he rebuffed her. Where did you read that line you quoted? I can't find it.

Third: Pyra Quadde raped one of her sailors, named Kenny, not Ryan. That's in the summary. She wanted Ryan, and even had him taken to her cabin to do the deed, but he escaped before she could.

JB and Mildred have never had a graphic scene like Ryan and Krysty, but I do recall a time or two when there was some action that was a little more than implied. For my part, I think the sex scenes are part and parcel of pulp fiction, just like the excessive gore.

 

I did infact bring it up earlier in this thread. As it is true, And I was answering a question AP had asked about why would Ryan boink Ti? I was simply curious why you brought it up again.

I quoted that directly from the deathlands wiki linked from google direct. Unless it's been edited it should still be there. Fourth paragraph in Chill Factor synopsis.

Page 173 Chill Factor, Kate and Ryan were both naked."You Know, Ryan. Please. He didn't say anything, and Kate moved against his body, her arms around him, hands reaching. "Please."

End of chapter.

 Now I don't know about anyone else but that doesn't sound like he rebuffed her to much as that was the way it ended, and the next pages are him not wanting to be interupted of laying naked with Kate by the fire. Doesn't leave too much of the imagination. Even though on Page 180 he almost chops her head off for threatening to turn him in to Zimyanin if Ryan doesn't take her with him.

 

 

As far as Pyra Quade? I dunno, been 15 years since I read Dectra Chain, I'll look later on when I have the time.

Edited: I just checked and you are correct as far as Ryan getting away before she has the chance to rape him.

Found it for you.

"Ryan makes his way down the treacherous mountain path and is eventually forced to seek shelter from a harsh blizzard. He finds the entrance to an abandoned mine tunnel, occupied by Kate Webb and her elderly grandfather Cody, two slaves who have escaped from the mine but have discovered they have nowhere to flee to. Cody is abruptly killed soon after when the fourth sec hunter emerges from the blizzard, following Ryan and killing Cody because he was in the way. Kate and Ryan flee deeper into the mine, eventually losing the 'droid by jumping over a large chasm blocking the tunnel. Venturing deeper they discover a fast-moving underground river, which unexpectedly swells and draws them into it. They are briefly stopped by a net strung across the river by "trackies" - hostile mutants - and after nearly being killed by a large group of them Kate and Ryan take their chances in the river again. When the finally find themselves outside again and on land Ryan narrowly manages to get both of them to the shelter of a small cave and start a fire before they succumb to the cold. Grateful for him saving her life, Kate seduces Ryan into having sex with her."

Okay, as far as the book is concerned... it's really unclear whether they did or not. Ryan never says anything to Krysty about it, and certainly doesn't feel guilty about it. From the relationship they have, I'd think he would feel *something*, but... the way the next chapter begins, it kind of implies that they did do more than just sleep naked together. *shrug*

As for that quote: that's not from this wiki, and I didn't write it. You can check the Chill Factor summary; it hasn't been updated since last October. I did find a missing line break, though, so I'll have to fix that at some point.

Oh, and I was talking about another thread where someone had claimed Ryan's had sex with other people - it was a few months ago.

Posted By Kerrick on 04 Jul 2012 01:14 AM

Okay, as far as the book is concerned... it's really unclear whether they did or not. Ryan never says anything to Krysty about it, and certainly doesn't feel guilty about it. From the relationship they have, I'd think he would feel *something*, but... the way the next chapter begins, it kind of implies that they did do more than just sleep naked together. *shrug*

As for that quote: that's not from this wiki, and I didn't write it. You can check the Chill Factor summary; it hasn't been updated since last October. I did find a missing line break, though, so I'll have to fix that at some point.

Oh, and I was talking about another thread where someone had claimed Ryan's had sex with other people - it was a few months ago.

Please X out of this site and go to google direct. Then wiki Deathlands. Then Chill factor. You will see it.

That's fine if it isn't yours, I assumed both were the same.

 

It matters not, really. As far as JB and Mildred are concearned, which I never brought up so I don't know if that was directed at me as point number 4... I just read a couple of books, one of which was Arcadians Asylum and it was quite graphic in their sex play. At least I think it was that book. I don't feel like quoting page numbers right now as I don't feel like looking.

It doesn't really matter, Ryan has boinked other woman at least 2 or 3 times. I am currently reading the whole series again even the novels I have allready read, And I am sure of it. I will be sure to quote some more books. Until then No worries man.

Also you are talking about the relationship they had after LJ wrote the series. While he was it was more of a "survival and enjoy-the-moment" kind of thing.

 

 

Why are you using Google to search the wiki? We have a wiki link at the top of the page. It's very easy to navigate from there.

I have no idea what Google Direct is; a Google search turned up, in order: Wikipedia (duh), another DL wiki on Wiki.com (WTF??) and this wiki. I thought you might be quoting the Archives (that summary also says Kate seduced him), but that's not it either. Can you give me a link? I'm intrigued now.* Here's the link to the one I wrote - I meant to put it in my last post, but forgot: http://www.jamesaxler.com...-Factor/Default.aspx

I've only read about 75% of the books, so there might well be something I missed, but Ryan and Krysty have always been "a couple", even in the early books. She's always talking about being soulmates and such, and they're in love.

*Edit: I found it - it's on Wikipedia. This site has its own wiki, as I mentioned; that's the one I'm working on.

Yes, I know this. I have read them both. I assumed at the time that when you said that you wrote the "wiki" you were referring to the universal Wikipedia and that the above wiki was merely that in a condensed form and easier to link to for forum members.

 

Also yes Ryan and Krysty have alway's been a couple. That was never being debated, the debate involves Ryan boinking other women. The point I was making was when LJ was penning the series "Being a couple" and Ryan's opinion on infedelity was there wasn't such a thing. As He still loved Krysty as matter of factly. So in other words, it wasn't worth him bringing it up.

 

 

 

 

 

yo...whats up with the profile pics Ron?

Grr. I thought I had migrated as many of the profile pics as possible, but I *know* that some of the people in this thread are once that I touched. I'll try again, see if I can figure out the problem. In the meantime, if you want to set your own again just follow the steps in this thread: http://www.jamesaxler.com...ft/1140/Default.aspx

lmao....Ron did u just say u "touched" ppl?and that u would try again?this is some funny shit...I know what Ron is tryin to say,its looks crazy

its so great u have sense of humor Ron