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12/11/2011 5:00 PM
    Hello ,I thought I'd start this thread to ask small questions about the series.

    My first Question is ;  In one of the earlier books the companions find themselves in Britain ,Which book was this ?

    Q 2. During their stay in Britain Doc is recognized by someone ,was it ever explained how that happened ?

    Q 3. How is it that as Jak ages he doesn't outgrow his razor blade jacket? All the other characters change their outfits as the series goes along but not Jak.
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    12/12/2011 5:41 AM
    Hi there,

    Lets see if I can assist here:

    1 the book is #35 Bitter Fruit by Mel Odom, not one of the best pieces of his work but far better than some of the newer tripe they have published. The characters in Outlanders visit England as well in a far better story arc.

    2 that would be "Long Johnson" -I wonder how he got his name And it is never explained how he comes to know Doc.

    3 I think its the same reason Krysty's boots have never worn out, characters have the same weapons, same clothes etc. etc. Because we now have a rotating door system of (mostly so called) writers working on the series they have to leave the characters exactly as they found them at the close of each book.

    hope this helps,

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    12/13/2011 12:29 AM
    Posted By )3az )3aziah on 12 Dec 2011 05:41 AM
    Hi there,

    Lets see if I can assist here:

    1 the book is #35 Bitter Fruit by Mel Odom, not one of the best pieces of his work but far better than some of the newer tripe they have published. The characters in Outlanders visit England as well in a far better story arc.

    2 that would be "Long Johnson" -I wonder how he got his name And it is never explained how he comes to know Doc.

    3 I think its the same reason Krysty's boots have never worn out, characters have the same weapons, same clothes etc. etc. Because we now have a rotating door system of (mostly so called) writers working on the series they have to leave the characters exactly as they found them at the close of each book.

    hope this helps,

    Jim


    Thanks for the great answers .

    Q3 . You make a lot of sense thanks . I wonder if that means Doc's Lemat will stay a cartridge gun or if it will be back to a black powder & cap gun again ?
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    12/13/2011 6:01 AM
    i think long jonson got his name because the riter chose it to be that.
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    12/26/2011 4:26 PM
    I seem to recall reading one time where Krysty had to get her boots resoled (it could've been one of the early books, I'm not sure). They just don't mention it because it's not really important.
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    12/29/2011 12:32 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 26 Dec 2011 04:26 PM
    I seem to recall reading one time where Krysty had to get her boots resoled (it could've been one of the early books, I'm not sure). They just don't mention it because it's not really important.

    Do you know who MADE Krysty's boots? We have been told in quite an early book...
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    1/7/2012 11:41 PM
    Here's my take on the coat thing.  Even if he did outgrow the coat, or it wore out it's likely he'd get a replacement and sew in new razors etc to make it even more dangerous.
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    1/10/2012 9:41 AM
    Baz: She got them in the Alaska redoubt, in Red Holocaust

    Grant: In Rider, Reaper, Ryan notes that despite being a year or so older, Jak doesn't appear to have grown at all (i.e., he's still 5'4"), but he looks to have gained 10 pounds or so (from his wife's cooking). He likely lost most of that weight after rejoining the companions - constant travel, along with irregular meals, will do that.
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    1/12/2012 1:27 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 10 Jan 2012 09:41 AM
    Baz: She got them in the Alaska redoubt, in Red Holocaust

    I know, but who made them?

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    1/12/2012 1:51 PM
    Posted By )3az )3aziah on 12 Jan 2012 01:27 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 10 Jan 2012 09:41 AM
    Baz: She got them in the Alaska redoubt, in Red Holocaust

    I know, but who made them?

    Jim




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    1/13/2012 11:55 AM
    Hey, these are classy boots, worn by a classy maiden...
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    1/13/2012 3:11 PM
    I'd say her boots were made by Tony Lama.
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    1/14/2012 1:08 PM
    Posted By Wordsmithagain on 13 Jan 2012 03:11 PM
    I'd say her boots were made by Tony Lama.

    Correct.

    If I recall way, way back on a previous incarnation of this site, we had a quiz and I posed this self same question. Again only you and Gitana (what ever became of her?) got the answer correct!

    Boy that does bring back memories. I wonder where these folk are now and what they are up to?

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    1/15/2012 7:40 PM
    Well hell, if I'd known you were asking as a challenge, I'd have looked it up. :p

    What's with the new name, Wordsmith? Change of pace?
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    1/16/2012 5:56 AM
    why cant we have a competintion on here. get some questions and see who can get the rite ansers to them. it wud be gud i think.
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    1/16/2012 12:44 PM
    Kerrick, I got my knickers in a twist, as they say, and stalked off, never to return. But had a change of heart. So here I am again.
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    Twisty knickers is a pernicious problem. I am sometimes plagued with it myself.
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    1/27/2012 10:44 PM
    My first Question is ; In one of the earlier books the companions find themselves in Britain ,Which book was this ?


    I remember this book, kind of out there.. too "the world is about to die" type book. That and Plant dude...
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    1/30/2012 4:54 AM
    Posted By ShadowTek on 27 Jan 2012 10:44 PM
    My first Question is ; In one of the earlier books the companions find themselves in Britain ,Which book was this ?


    I remember this book, kind of out there.. too "the world is about to die" type book. That and Plant dude...


    we got told the name of the book nere to the top. its one of the books i like set ouside of america. i wuld like to now how much of britan is still left in deathlands and wot about france and other bits of places by britan.
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    2/6/2012 1:29 AM
    OK so here is a couple of other small questions.

    1. In "Perdition Valley" the cyborg Delphi list off a number of other coldfire agents killed by the friends including Dr. Tardy, Silas, Overton , Lord Kinnison . I don't remember all of these bad guys ,so I'm asking were they all created by the same author who wrote "Perdition Valley"?

    2.Is Coldfire a crossover from the Outlander series ?

    3. The tech used by the cyborg in fact the cyborg himself seemed to me to be way to futuristic for the the Deathlands series where did the ideas for all that tech come from.
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    3/11/2012 8:51 AM
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    3/14/2012 1:20 AM
    1: Ethel Tardy is from Crater Lake (LJ); Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins), Overton is in the Baronies Trilogy (Pollotta), and Kinnison is in the Skydark Chronicles (Pollotta again). Pollotta also wrote Perdition Valley, but I don't get where Tardy and Jamaivous are Coldfire agents...

    2. Not to my knowledge, but I'm sure someone who knows the OL books better could say for sure. Given that Pollotta's never written any OL books, I'm guessing no.

    3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.
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    3/14/2012 6:51 AM
    Sorry, but Polatta has been so far his game of recent years, I don't know...nor care.
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    3/14/2012 8:03 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
    Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins)

    Silas was created by Mark and killed off by Nick Potato much to Marks annoyance.

    I know Mark went into this in some detail either here on JA.com or on his own site a good while back. Perhaps if Mark reads this he can fill in the blanks or correct me?

    See here:

    http://www.jamesaxler.com...j/2/Default.aspx#665

    in a post dated 24 March 2009 from Mark re Silas.


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    3/14/2012 8:05 PM
    Posted By twinsrule26 on 06 Feb 2012 01:29 AM
    OK so here is a couple of other small questions.
    ...Is Coldfire a crossover from the Outlander series ?

    No, I believe Coldfire was another Nick Potato invention to suit his own ends.

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    3/14/2012 8:07 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM

    3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.

    I agree, but Magus was created by Jack Adrian and only mentioned and later adapted by Laurence later.

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    3/15/2012 9:33 AM
    Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM


    3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.


    I see why you would say that .  Ok what I was trying to say was that the tech used was to my thinking way to high tech even for the DL series . I know we all have to take things with a grain of suspended reality to enjoy the world created by the DL authors . Its just that to me the things Delphi used came out of left field and would have fit in better in  the Shadow world  book, the equipment he had just seemed to me to be out on the edge of DL believability.
    Still I enjoyed that book and most of the others in this series .
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    3/16/2012 1:00 PM
    Posted By )3az )3aziah on 14 Mar 2012 08:03 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
    Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins)


    Silas was created by Mark and killed off by Nick Potato much to Marks annoyance.

    I know Mark went into this in some detail either here on JA.com or on his own site a good while back. Perhaps if Mark reads this he can fill in the blanks or correct me?

    See here:

    http://www.jamesaxler.com...j/2/Default.aspx#665

    in a post dated 24 March 2009 from Mark re Silas.


    Jim


    Silas Torrance Burr AKA Silas Jamaisvous was first referred to in the inaugural Outlanders novel, Exile to Hell, as the project overseer for Operation Chronos.

    He was referenced several times later in Outlanders as Erica Van Sloan's boyfriend.

    I was less annoyed by Pollotta killing off Silas than I was by the way he changed an urbane, witty and resourceful villain (as characterized by Terry Collins in Dark Emblem) into a garden variety DL sex pervert bad guy.

    But one thing you had to get used to when working for Gold Eagle...everything gets dumbed-down to its lowest common denominator level eventually.


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    3/16/2012 7:47 PM
    Mark,

    Thank you for correcting me on that point, the thread I had in mind was quite a few years ago and its exact content has been lost inside my ever aging mind.

    Did anyone ever ask just WHERE you got the name Jamaisvous from?

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    3/16/2012 8:22 PM
    As I recall, the then-OL and DL editor Eva Kovacs asked me about the name. She thought it was cool...but then again, she was a very discerning and high-class lady.

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    3/22/2012 1:13 AM
    Baz: Thanks for setting me straight... someone needs to keep me honest. Course, I didn't know that Mark had anonymously co-authored Dark Emblem, so I should be excused on that point (that thread was an interesting read, BTW). I have read Exile to Hell, and I totally forgot he'd been mentioned there as well. Or that Magus had been mentioned in PtH (it must've been a throwaway reference like Cooperville, the town Trader wiped out).

    Edit: Now I remember... when the stickies attack the convoy, it's mentioned (IIRC; my copy is buried in a box) that they suddenly appeared and that Magus was responsible (implying that he created them). I also forgot that according to Adrian's original notes, Teague was the one with the metal face, but that got changed later (shame on me; I put that info on the wiki, too!). His first actual appearance wasn't until Eclipse at Noon, the last book LJ wrote before the ghost writers took over (excluding Crucible of Time).

    Twins: I've read precisely one book with Delphi (the one where - spoiler! - he gets eaten by a kraken), so I can't speak much to the advanced tech he uses. I know in that book, the companions find crates of replacement (synthetic) body parts in a redoubt, which they chuck into the gate and send all over Deathlands, but we've got that kind of tech already, for the most part.
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    3/22/2012 1:53 PM
    I didn't co-write Dark Emblem, although I had input into the plot, partly because that book featured something of a crossover with Outlanders. Terry Collins wrote that book and I did do some tweaking on it, but nothing major.


    Back in those halycon days when Eva Kovacs was the editor, she encouraged those kind of links between DL and Outlanders and she encouraged communication between the writers...something the execuive editor hated with a passion. It took him years to accept the concept of email...and the fact that a Canadian editor couldn't order American writers who they could and could not talk to.

    Anyway...I was not the co-writer of Dark Emblem. At best I was an editorial consultant.
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    3/22/2012 2:43 PM
    Oh wow... I checked the dates, and Exile to Hell predates Dark Emblem. I feel like such a dunce now. I'll have to update the wiki - thanks for that.

    Oh, while I'm here... did you have any input on Bitter Fruit, or know what the deal was with Long Johnson? He implies that he was also a successful time-trawl victim (it makes sense that the whitecoats would want a backup plan if Doc didn't work out), but how did he end up in 2099?

    Oh, and double post.
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    3/22/2012 8:07 PM
    Mark, it is always a pleasure to read your posts -especially in stereo

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    3/23/2012 9:41 PM
    You know how it is, Jim--repetition is the only that thing works around here. Think how many posts and how many years it took for people to finally learn that Laurence James had nothing to do with the creation of Outlanders.

    Kerrick--Mel Odom discussed Bitter Fruit with me during the writing process, but I had no input on it...I do have a recollection of him saying that Long Johnson and that Special Ops group they ran into were Operation Chronos experiments...I think Mel intended to bring both Johnson and the Ops group back at some point, but I don't guess he ever did.

    However, the UK setting of the giant tree reappeared in Outlanders Savage Sun and Hell Rising.

    Those were the good ol'days when Eva encouraged the writers to think outside of the Stupid Box.
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    3/24/2012 1:44 AM
    "Those were the good ol'days when Eva encouraged the writers to think outside of the Stupid Box."

    And where did that get her?
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    I wasn't evaluating the ultimate worth of Eva's attempts and accomplishments.

    Obvioiusly, the Gold Eagle editorial model is to seek the lowest common denominator...and since that's easy to do, they usually achieved it.

    It's significant that all the really stupid shit like rut farms, gasoline powered gateways, pedophiliac overtones, crab-scorpions and on my side of the aisle, Team Phoenix, all came about post-Eva.

    Even if she ended up being fired or what, there are still a handful of us out there--me, you, Will Murray, Terry Colllins, the late Michael Kasner and even Mike Herring--who still fondly remember Eva's attempts to impose a higher standard.

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    And remember Eva as a friend who is still sorely missed.
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    Just out of curiosity... Are there stickies in the Outlander series?  I've only read a handful (compared the owning the entire DL collection) and don't recall reading about them.  Stickies are mentioned in every Deathlands book, I think...  But are they still around in Outlanders?

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    I recall that Exile to Hell had a stickie, and made some kind of comment on how rare they were. I suspect it was a case of a decree from GE that the one be included in the story in order to strengthen the link from DL, but that suspicion is based on no facts whatsoever.
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    3/25/2012 5:37 PM
    There were a couple of stickies in Exile...not to due any editorial edict, though. My choice entirely just to set the stage in the inaugural novel.

    A few stickies occasionally showed up or were referenced in Outlanders, but I established early on that most of the DL kind of "muties" were virtually extinct except for isolated pockets.

    I had also established that the stickies, sickies, scalies, snotties, snookies and whathaveyou of the "ie" variety were the products of genetic engineering. Not a perfect solutioin but it was one I could live with...at least it had some sort of loose scientific basis.

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    Snookies lmao!


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    4/2/2012 2:14 AM

    Great!  Thanks for filling me in a little.  I just can't get that into the OL series.  Just tried and true DL, lol.

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    Posted By OneFallenShadow on 02 Apr 2012 02:14 AM

    Great!  Thanks for filling me in a little.  I just can't get that into the OL series.  Just tried and true DL, lol.


    How many books did you try? I for one gave up at least three times on book one, then made it to book two before giving up, then I made it to three and got hooked. The Outlanders series has to be read as a tale as far removed from Deathlands as you can imagine -and then add a few feet. The story arc flows, develops, twists and turns and takes you in directions you never imagined. Gold Eagle may want you to believe they are linked to each other but with Mark Ellis at the helm you quickly realise that that link is tenuous at best and gets more remote as the books go on.

    Give them another go, you may well be surprised?

     

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    the outlanders books are not as gud as the deathlands ones the storys dont finish at the end of a book and you have to go and get the next one to see what happends. the main guys in them are not as gud as the ones in deathlands and even the girl with the white her is a copy of jack from deathlands. i wud not even read with them they are too boring.
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    4/5/2012 11:11 AM
    Harry, what have you done??? I have a spare Flak Jacket i can lend you.
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    4/5/2012 5:55 PM

    Harry just put a smile on Mark Ellis' face, that's what he did. 

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    Posted By The Phantom on 05 Apr 2012 05:55 PM

    Harry just put a smile on Mark Ellis' face, that's what he did. 

    I second that.

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    I do believe you too are right
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    Harry, in a word you are...AWESOME!
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    4/6/2012 9:07 PM
    Deftly done, all right.

    Classic DL-Only Fan stereotype right down to the Bizarro World/Frankenstein Monster method of expressing himself.

    He followed that tradtional script exactly.

    When the discussions about new guns, new boots and new muties begin to pale, he got twitchy and inevitably turned to trashing Outlanders...and in classic fashion, staying vague...not providing the titles of any books he might've read or any other specifics.

    Absolute chapter-and-verse. He's obviously been practicing.

    The reason why Mike said Harry was awesome and Baz and Phantom said he made me smile was because all of us had something of a wager that eventually ol' Whittleberry 2 would get bored, be unable to keep up the pretense and reveal his true identity...or one of the many in his sock puppet collection.


    It's always nice to be vindicated.

    Hey, guys...who wants to bet that next he'll start whining and whimpering about how he just came in here to smell the flowers and pet the bunnies when he was savagely attacked by the viciious OL Snobs?

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    Up until that last post I thought HW2 was just stuck with a defective copy of Dragon Speech Recognition software. Now I'm thinking we've all been timetrawled back to 2006.

    But I always try to look on the bright side ...

    Time to sell the house before the bubble breaks.

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    Troll or not to troll that is the question?

    God if we are back to 2006 somebody please tell me they have those  numbers from last months mega millions

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    what have i done rong i have just sed what i think just like otherpeople here have done and i get blasded for it. its not fare at all the outlanders books are not as gud as the deth lands ones and the stories do get finished in another book. why then am i getting all this bad replies when its true what i have sed. im not a troll and i dont use cus words when i riet here this is so unfer and im sad now. i dont use any sort of thing to tipe just my key bord and i now i have a thing with my spellin but as i sed befor i dont get any sort of stuff like this on other bords i go in and post to.
    why wud i have s colectin of sock pupets i dont even now what they are. its so unfer.
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    H, Re-read this page of post's,specifically your post on Ol and then Jax2's. All should become clear. Whether this is just or not I know nought.

    For me, I dont care one way or another. It would be nice if everyone could just get along and have a laugh but alas this is not human nature.

    I dont know how you can prove to the rest of the gang who you are or are'nt.

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    Hey Ron and Jim, Harry sounds like me when I first came on the site does he not? Haha! Hey Harry. Check this out. I think Outlanders is BORING! And although I agree that we miss Mr. Laurence ang GE does need to DO THEIR JOB YESS I AGREE! However, I love Deathlands with a passion. Now, this is something that MR. Miles, Jim, and have to understand that AT FIRST GLANCE, it SEEMS the idea of deathlands came first and then Outlanders, now that DID NOT HAPPEN, I GET IT? But remember, to say that the beginners are basing this on absolute nothing, well I have one small defense FOR THE NEWBIES. 1986 came before 1997. Now all the Outlanders folks had to say is that they kind of "Star Wars" it, came out with the Outlanders idea first but then then the deathlands ides was put first instead. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. Here is something Mr. Miles maybe put a post stating what Mr. Adrian and Mr. Laurence were trying to do for the folks who do not know the series and just "assume".
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    Probably in 6 more years, Haha! Say, I have read about 65% of DL books and Im curious if these villians have creeped back up and if they did have they been destroyed?  Admiral Poseidon in Watersleep, Lars Hellstrom Stoneface, and the villian at the end of Edens Twighlight who was in contol of those evil cat-dog muties( sorry I cant find the book right now for a more accurate description.) By the way Bloodlines is the best!!!! My opinion of course. I dont scare easy but I just happen to be in a cajun infested swampy area when I read that thing.  AHHHH!!!! SSSCCCAAARRRYYY!!!!  LOL!!! What is your favorite novel and you will probably hate me but I like all DL authors and I LOVE Andy Boot, Nick Pollata, Rik Hoskin( loved Alpha Wave) and man what happened to good ol Edo? I know you guys hated Skydark spawn, I however thought it was decaying and barbric( remember this is Deathlands, this place is supposed to make Sodom and Gomorrah look like Chucky Cheese, man. Bunch of perverted sexuality, both among mutie and human was greatly portrayed and also for years I was thinking in a land like the Deathlands who is going to take over the jolt trade. Ahhah Black Harvest.Superb. Yes, Gold eagle srews up editing and weapons, that does not take from the story TO ME!!!! But man, I love the evolution and era of this series.  It reminds me of the evolutions and eras that KISS, pro wrestling, and South Park have gone through and I have been supporting ALL THOSE through thick and thin.  Now if I can JUST get into Outlanders. Jim, you said the first 2 books wetre not good but the 3rd is?
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    They need to go to Eastern Europe( can you imagine how war torn that place would be) the jungles of Africa, Australia, Hawaii, or how about they jump into space again or that shadow alternate world again?
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    I dunno. But I sure hope Chuck pens it.

     

    He has my HUGE vote for not fucking it up like a certain other recently did.

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    Bravo Harry! Outstanding in every way! Brilliant! Author! Author!

    Kudos to the young acolyte as well! Well played!
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    Posted By mikeclr on 11 Apr 2012 11:43 AM
    Bravo Harry! Outstanding in every way! Brilliant! Author! Author!

    Kudos to the young acolyte as well! Well played!


    Who was that Masked Man?
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    One here in Scotland I think. We could have Nessie on steroids, or by the God's mutie Midgie's.
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    Posted By silentalbino on 11 Apr 2012 09:37 PM
    One here in Scotland I think. We could have Nessie on steroids, or by the God's mutie Midgie's.

    I'm surprised Mark didn't add a few of the local "Mersey Trout" when he wrote about Liverpool in the OL books? They can be quite nasty if you get close to them.

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    Posted By darkravenangel on 11 Apr 2012 12:38 AM
    They need to go to Eastern Europe( can you imagine how war torn that place would be) the jungles of Africa, Australia, Hawaii, or how about they jump into space again or that shadow alternate world again?

    In other words, every place the OL crew has already been.. 

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    Posted By )3az )3aziah on 12 Apr 2012 06:58 PM
    Posted By silentalbino on 11 Apr 2012 09:37 PM
    One here in Scotland I think. We could have Nessie on steroids, or by the God's mutie Midgie's.

    I'm surprised Mark didn't add a few of the local "Mersey Trout" when he wrote about Liverpool in the OL books? They can be quite nasty if you get close to them.

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    I thought about it, but there were already enough turds in the Axlerverse.

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    Hey JUST LETTING YOU KNOW AND THAT IS IT! Im backing off this as soon as soon as I say it.  Its passive agressive comments like that that start the OL DL wars, and "BOTH SIDES" have started this elementary school game (just like now!) Digressing  Its funny because I had 2 questions concerning Outlanders: now remember , I do not know a lot about Outlanders, but THANKS TO YOU GUYS, I have an idea. 1st Question: What year is Outlanders( 100 years after Deathlands)What year would this be? 2201? I think DL is currently in year like 2101, Im guessing? Because PTH came out based in 2096 and Im just trying to do some math here. ( I know it seems the DL group doesnt age like Jak and Dean, but remember digressing). Also I am aware that Kane and co SEEM to travel around the world a lot AND FAST. Now, it seems like technology has evolved very well in the Outlands, Im not saying its great but its a lot less primitive than DL and that makes their travels not easier , more efficient?
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    I don't remember the exact years, I'll let Mark address that if he likes. I know he did in fact set the stories in a specific timeline and was very deliberate about how time passed on the OL series.

    Regarding speed of travel, bear in mind that comparing technological levels from DL to OL is much like comparing technological levels between the pre-WW1 era and today. Same basic difference in years. By the time that OL takes place, for the most part human civilization has stabilized and formed a much more modernized society. This is aided by the involvement of alien technology. In OL the lead characters travel in a multitude of ways - through properly functioning gateways, through the interphaser (kind of like a portable gateway), plus through other traditional vehicles and aircraft. (Well, ok, the Mantas are not exactly *traditional* aircraft, but from a story perspective they are super-fast flying vehicles that can get a certain number of people from point A to point B).
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    Posted By darkravenangel on 12 Apr 2012 08:58 PM
    Hey JUST LETTING YOU KNOW AND THAT IS IT! Im backing off this as soon as soon as I say it.  Its passive agressive comments like that that start the OL DL wars, and "BOTH SIDES" have started this elementary school game (just like now!) 

    JUST LETTING YOU KNOW that "Mersey Trout" are fecal matter...poop...shite...turds. Jim was having a bit of a laugh and to be polite, I joined in.

    Also JUST LETTING YOU KNOW...the "Axlerverse" encompasses both Outlanders and DL. Anybody who takes partisan offense is reading INTO the comment, not out of it.

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    Posted By Ron Miles on 12 Apr 2012 09:41 PM
    I don't remember the exact years, I'll let Mark address that if he likes. I know he did in fact set the stories in a specific timeline and was very deliberate about how time passed on the OL series.

    You are right...the internal timeline is five years. So between publication dates 1997-2009, five years (give or take a couple of months) passed for the characters. My own system was that ten "real time" years translated to five "series time" years. 

    Outside of Gold Eagle, such a method is referred to as plot and character development.

    As for ways of getting around...I didn't want to rely on the mat-trans units as the sole method of travel...there were just too damn many of the things to make sense...that's why I came up with the concept of the mass-produced modular gateway units.

    So I added the different models of interphaser and the Manta ships.

    The interphaser only worked in junction with the intersection points of ley lines (Victor Milan totally misunderstood its operation and had it function like a pair of ruby slippers in his non-canonical offerings) and the Manta ships are two-person craft, so travel still isn't simple.

    However, I've said this before and it bears repeating--my plans for the next stage of the Outlanders series was to take the group offworld...to Nibiru/Nemesis where they really would be Outlanders and leave post-apocalyptic Earth to Ryan and Company.





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    Posted By Jax2 on 13 Apr 2012 12:12 PM
    Posted By darkravenangel on 12 Apr 2012 08:58 PM
    Hey JUST LETTING YOU KNOW AND THAT IS IT! Im backing off this as soon as soon as I say it.  Its passive agressive comments like that that start the OL DL wars, and "BOTH SIDES" have started this elementary school game (just like now!) 

    JUST LETTING YOU KNOW that "Mersey Trout" are fecal matter...poop...shite...turds. Jim was having a bit of a laugh and to be polite, I joined in.

    Also JUST LETTING YOU KNOW...the "Axlerverse" encompasses both Outlanders and DL. Anybody who takes partisan offense is reading INTO the comment, not out of it.


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    Your knowledge of all things Scouse amazes me. Any plans to return here?

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    Is one of the Outlanders Novel's set in Liverpool?? Man, that would be the SH*T.
    If so where the local's in Red or Blue shirts.
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    There's a timeline on the wiki that covers both series pre-Skydark, then splits apart to cover events unique to each one separately.
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    Posted By silentalbino on 13 Apr 2012 09:28 PM
    Is one of the Outlanders Novel's set in Liverpool?? Man, that would be the SH*T.
    If so where the local's in Red or Blue shirts.

    Oh yes, check out Hell Rising. New London is Liverpool and not a red or blue shirt in sight.

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    New London? What would Cilla say!!!!!
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    Posted By silentalbino on 18 Apr 2012 01:10 AM
    New London? What would Cilla say!!!!!

    A up fukkin ell lad, yev gorra be joe-kin. Bye us a key-bab...

     

     

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    Are there any of the novels that deal with the "Gang" individually? Giving you more of Jak's story for instance than the rest.
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    Are Magus and Delphi one and the same?
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    No. God no. Delphi is Pollotta's second-hand knockoff of Magus.
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    Is he in just the 2 novel's.
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    Posted By silentalbino on 19 Apr 2012 11:33 AM
    Are there any of the novels that deal with the "Gang" individually? Giving you more of Jak's story for instance than the rest.

    Neutron Solstice - Where we meet Jak for the first time and learn a lot about him

    Crater Lake - Ryan & Krysty discover Docs back story. That section is one of the best bits of writing Laurence did for Deathlands in my opinion.

    Northstar rising - They find Mildred and find out all about her.

    Homeward bound - We find out Ryans back story.

    Thats just off the top of my head. I'm not sure if LJ did any back story for J.B or Krysty? I think there may be some in Pilgrimage to Hell on them but not a lot.

    Anything that was written by anyone other than Laurence, Mark Ellis or Jack Adrian I don't consider "canon"  so have not mentioned.

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    Sound lad. Was thinking it would be a good idea for a novel for one of them to get separated and have there own lil adventure.
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    Krysty was dealt with in Crossways, but JB never got anything, despite the companions going past his hometown several times.

    I've got one: In Nightmare Passage, the author (Mark Ellis) mentions Ladrow Buford's cloning farm and the Dwellers. Buford's name rings a bell, but there's nothing on the wiki about him, and the Dwellers... ??? Can anyone fill me in?
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    Ladrow Buford is from Genesis Echo and the Dwellers appeared in Watersleep.
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    I thought Buford was from the Crichton Institute.... the Dwellers are those fishmen? I never knew they had a name. Good to know.
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    Silentalbino, to answer your question, the sorely missed author, Alan Phillipson gave us a Ryan's daughter in his last DL book, Doom Helix. And what a daughter she was!
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    I think he is in the basic 3 book formula for regular villans like Strasser, The Russian Major, Straub, and the Magus. Delphi is in Perdition Valley, Shatter Zone( at least I think he's hinted) and Desert kings.
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    Magus is a long-term recurring enemy. He might have been intended as a standard villain at first, but he only appeared in LJ's last regular book. Later authors built him up to the point where he became a major force in Deathlands and a major enemy to the companions, kind of like Murdock to MacGyver.

    IIRC, Delphi was killed in Desert Kings - he was eaten by a kraken. I have the book, but I only skimmed it; feel free to correct me on this point, anyone.

    Hey Mark, another question: Who is the Other Krysty keeps mentioning in Nightmare Passage? The only psionic enemies I recall up to that point are Akhnaton and Kaa.
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    Hey Mark, another question: Who is the Other Krysty keeps mentioning in Nightmare Passage? The only psionic enemies I recall up to that point are Akhnaton and Kaa.

    Could you be more specific? It's been 15 years and nearly three times  that many books since I turned in the original manuscript. I remember referencing Lord Kaa but not the other thing.

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    Okay, I found one mention of it (I recall a couple, but I think this one will do):

    Krysty didn't reply. She was thinking of her own psionic abilities, the power to sense and semi-interact with strong emotional states - or be influenced by them if they were too strong. Images of the inhuman Other and the crazed Kaa flitted unbidden into her mind.

    On another note, I just wanted to correct myself from further up the thread regarding Magus. I flipped through PtH looking for something else, and it turns out I was mostly wrong - when the stickies are mentioned, it says that they first appeared in Wolfram's circus a few years ago (meaning around 2094), but Wolfram got really cagey when asked where he got them. Magus himself isn't mentioned until much later - Strasser reveals that he got the nerve gas from "the weirdo with the steel eye" (yes, that's eye, singular), and the narrator (Adrian, not LJ) says that Magus has a rep for appearing in distant places (and sometimes it seems like two places at once), dropping off rare/strange goods, then vanishing again.
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    Oh-h-h-h...

    I think "The Other" was what Mel Odom called that psionic plant thing in Bitter Fruit.

    As for Magus and the stickies...as of Stoneface, we know he got the stickies from The Anthill.

    All that appearing and disappearing stuff was one reason a few readers speculated that Magus and Colonel Thrush were the same.
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    Oh-h-h-h...

    I think "The Other" was what Mel Odom called that psionic plant thing in Bitter Fruit.



    That has to be it, I remember that now.


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    I think "The Other" was what Mel Odom called that psionic plant thing in Bitter Fruit.
    Ah, okay. I remember that thing had rudimentary psionic abilities, so it's possible.

    As for Magus and the stickies...as of Stoneface, we know he got the stickies from The Anthill.
    We do? I don't recall any mention of stickies in that book, but it makes sense...

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    In the book where the companions re-encounter Donphil more do they ever give a name for the fish/lizard men enemies?
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    When the Commander took Ryan on short tour of the Anthill's bioengineering facility he saw stickies. The Commander told Ryan that the Anthill had begun a program of genetic engineering known as pantropy "over a century ago."

    Later the old darlin' said:

    "Pantropy is a form of bioengineering, primarily theoretical, to produce a strain of humanity designed to live in different environments...the challenge was to adapt and modify humanity to survive in the new environment shaped by the holocaust. We experimented with human and animal subjects to create entities that could thrive in any physical condition, immune to radiation and other adverse environmental factors."

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    Posted By twinsrule26 on 26 Apr 2012 08:49 AM
    In the book where the companions re-encounter Donphil more do they ever give a name for the fish/lizard men enemies?


    Ooh, missed this one. No, they don't. They're probably a freshwater version of the ones that appeared in Florida (Deep Empire) and Georgia (Watersleep); those ones are called Dwellers.
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    Anyone know the name of the ville that was built from an old penitentiary, and the inhabitants had numbers instead of names? I've got it listed on the wiki as Novaville, but I don't think that's right. OTOH, Novaville is from Pandora's Redoubt, which I haven't read (not even sure I have it), so maybe?
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    Posted By Kerrick on 30 May 2012 12:47 AM
    Anyone know the name of the ville that was built from an old penitentiary, and the inhabitants had numbers instead of names? I've got it listed on the wiki as Novaville, but I don't think that's right. OTOH, Novaville is from Pandora's Redoubt, which I haven't read (not even sure I have it), so maybe?

     

    Yes It was, I read it this weekend. Allthough there was only 1 mention of the numbers being used IIRC. Page 177 Shard introduces himself as prisoner 224474.It doesn't state that the inhabitants have numbers though. Allthough they are treated as slaves.

     

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    Oh. Huh. I don't know where I got that idea, then... kind of a cool concept, though.
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    And you should read it, it wasn't a bad book. Allthough the new technology involved was sort of a milestone to the companions which wasn't explained very well. And it never really explained who built Leviathon or who put the hell cats in there?

     

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    I did read it, years ago... I was about to say I didn't have a copy, but I looked in my box and found it. I guess I'll have to reread it.


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