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Deathlands 108 - Nemesis
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7/1/2012 3:08 PM

    This is the official thread for comments on Deathlands #108 - Nemesis

    The bibliography page is located HERE

    You can submit your own review HERE

    Be warned, this thread may contain spoilers for the book.

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    10/4/2012 4:11 PM
    Just seen the cover of this on amazon.co.uk, looks pretty good. Got Krysty rocking an assault rifle overlooking a convoy. She appear's to be in a PVC jumpsuit which is a bit weird. Best cover in a while.
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    11/1/2012 8:55 AM
    Man, love this cover art of Krysty blasting away. The new Chrono Spasm artwork is very cool, too! Is this another new artist?
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    11/1/2012 9:05 AM
    The artist is Dave Seeley, and you can see more of his work at http://www.DaveSeeley.com - including being able to purchase prints. I just found his website recently, it looks like he has been the artist since at least the last ten books, maybe more. I am still mining his site for more images. If you wanted a print of the Nemesis cover you can find it at http://www.daveseeley.com...7/h925749c#h12c455f2
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    11/1/2012 9:15 AM

    Yeah, I had a brain fart there for a moment.

     

    His website is amazing! I didn't realize how many different book covers I recognized that he's done.

     

    Also some very awesome future Deathlands covers! He seems to be getting better at it, the imagery of the cover art, especially without all the titles and such in the way, all folded out like that, makes the DL covers and past and future, look way better than Gold Eagle publishes them.

    The colors and visuals on his website are spectacular.

     

    We are lucky to have such a talent doing the cover art.

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    11/1/2012 10:51 AM
    Maybe this will mean the companions will finally get some new clothes? lol

    I don't mind Krysty in leather actually lol
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    11/2/2012 9:04 AM
    Actually, Krysty and Brigid Baptiste look and dress exactly alike on these covers. Except Brigid always seems to be wearing a bustier top, like a dominatrix type.
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    11/2/2012 4:53 PM
    Posted By Ron Miles on 11/1/2012 9:05:15 AM
    The artist is Dave Seeley, and you can see more of his work at http://www.DaveSeeley.com - including being able to purchase prints. I just found his website recently, it looks like he has been the artist since at least the last ten books, maybe more. I am still mining his site for more images. If you wanted a print of the Nemesis cover you can find it at http://www.daveseeley.com...7/h925749c#h12c455f2


    I wonder which book the painting of Ryan firing at the tank (a bit pointless if you ask me!!!) at close range will be used for? It is titled only as what appears to be a file name?

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    11/2/2012 9:26 PM
    Yeah, this guy is awesome. I recognized a lot of those covers before I realized he had the book titles listed below (duh...). Which one are you talking about, Baz? The only DL covers I see are all labelled.
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    11/3/2012 6:42 AM
    Go to his publishing portfolio and its number 82 (hover your cursor over the thumbnail to see its number) its page seven I think.

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    11/3/2012 9:50 AM
    That would be Nick Polatta's next book. Just read the synopsis, and you'll see that some baron chick has a slew of tanks to fight with. So I would wage that goes with the pic.
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    11/3/2012 9:51 AM
    Its called DL: Sins of Honor.
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    11/3/2012 10:01 AM
    I missed that image. Just added it to the book page for Sins of Honor. Nice one.
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    11/3/2012 12:21 PM
    Yeah, its pretty cool, albeit useless to fight a tank like that. Need a much bigger blaster than that to take a tank down. Like an RPG, or something akin to that.
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    11/3/2012 2:02 PM

    Maybe he is shooting at a stickie next to the tank offscreen. 



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    11/5/2012 6:10 AM
    Cant wait for that one...

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    11/5/2012 9:42 AM
    The only problem is, it is written by Nick Polatta, who I thought used to pen pretty solid DL's at one time.

    I don't know what happened to him...

    But I hope for the best, and maybe, just maybe, his upcoming DL might just be a solid one.
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    11/5/2012 10:09 AM
    My sarcasm failed to come over in that last post of mine...

    it will be another NP sausage machine churn out me thinks.

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    11/5/2012 3:31 PM
    Well, at least if it turns out to be a pig in has some awfully nice lipstick on it.
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    1/6/2013 1:51 AM

    Wow, what a great story! I liked this one a lot. The whole adventure was a real page turner. The ending, well, that just HAD to have hurt. Our heroes actually took some damage this time around, but not nearly as much as everyone else. The only error I detected was Doc's LeMat being reloaded with .44 Remington cartridges. Whoops.

    I thought the flow and balance of the story went very well. I liked how the author integrated the various storylines for a cohesive story. It was also nice to see other characters that were more...errrr...normal than your run of the mill A-holes.

     

    Lots of my past complaints about the characters, storyline, and plot issues have largely been resolved.  I think the authors who are writing these stories are doing an excellent job.  Keep up the good work!

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    1/7/2013 1:06 AM
    So, you're saying its much better than the last one?
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    1/7/2013 10:06 PM

    Yes it is.  

    BTW: Jak is now an adult.  Finally!

     

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    1/9/2013 8:04 PM
    That wasn't an error - he upgraded to a more modern replica that uses catridges a few books ago.
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    1/10/2013 9:56 PM
    Really?  I must've missed that.  I kind of thought that might be the case so I did a quick web search to see if the Lemat has any kind of conversion kits offered--like the Remington 1858.  I didn't find any so I figured this was just an error in the book.
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    1/11/2013 11:48 AM

    At this point, I am just really tired of the stupid LeMat.

     

    Or Krysty still carrying a mere pop gun .38, along with Mildred's ZKR.

     

    They have had and passed up far superior hardware, but still carry these crappy peashooters.

     

    That's why I really love and appreciate a bold and intelligent author who gives them better ordnance...even if it is for a single book. These women, and Jak, should all be carrying assault rifles and automatics. At the very LEAST - twin pistols and assault rifles. And a good knife for EVERYONE!

     

    Oh, don't get me started. This is a losing bitchfest.  

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    1/12/2013 12:32 AM

     

    I agree with your sentiments.

    Over and over Doc has commented that he would take a blackpowder firearm over a modern firearm. The authors could easily have him change out the Lemat for a remake Reminton 1858. Go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqEgijuCu4 This video show a guy speed loading his .44 with multiple cylinders. Doc could then keep true to his character but would be able to be much more effective in combat.

    The guy in the video could've fired much faster if he used his left thumb like the cowboy action shooter do. Because that firearm can be loaded to 35 grains/220 gr conical it can produce .45acp performance. Plenty to take down all sorts of baddies.

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    1/14/2013 6:41 AM

    This is my own view on the subject of changing weapons etc from one name to another for characters.

    What we all have to realise is that these are just stories, not the real world, so no matter if a character is carrying a .38, a .45, a bazooka or a bannana they will hit and kill their targets each and every time if the writer so wished. Llike boots, coats and any other items the character have they are just crutches to help the story limp along. If the names attached to these props bothers you so much have several options availalbe:


    i) stop reading the books and take up a subscription for gun digest instead.
    ii) ignore the names of the weapons and just think of them as "guns".
    iii) each time you read "Le Matt" or whichever other gun or item you dislike train yourself to replace the word(s) with a name you do like.

     

    Would readers really be that bothered by the weapons the characters carried if LJ in the early books of the series had decided to equip Ryan and co. with made up weapons like a "Zappo 1.3 MW sniper rifle", "Kappow Gyrojet pistol" and a "laser switch blade". Would folk now be posting "I think they should replace the zappo with a 2.3 MW version as it is more powerful, has a longer range and kills cold hearts with blue flash of holy fire" etc? I doubt it very much!

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    This is an edited version of my original post so a number of posts from fellow members posted after this will make no sense at all now...

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    1/14/2013 12:58 PM

    British Bloke, what may seem like an old and tired conversation thread to you and I may not be for newer members. Let them duke it out.

     

    You and I can just not comment on what we already have discussed in the past.

     

    And Grantbo: I have the last 90 pages of Nemesis to read until I am finished. You were pleasantly right! This DL is a surefire winner! Milan's best of the last 4.

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    1/14/2013 11:57 PM

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    You may not realize this but comments that have been made on this site in the past have been incorporated in the series.  TPTB do review comments we make to improve the overall experience better for the reader.  I'm suprised you didn't realize this.  While you may not find this particular topic interesting, because it's been discussed before, you don't have to comment--worthless comes to mind.

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    1/15/2013 4:16 AM

    Ok, I guess I should have realised after all this time that new members couldn't be arsed reading back posts to see what had been talked about ad nausium in the past before posting and my mear mention of this would be a spark that ignites the flames I have edited my above post in a way that I hope new members (and a few of the older ones) will not find offence in.

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    1/15/2013 11:32 AM

    British Bloke - I was not mad at you - or offended - at what you wrote. Sometimes this typing thing may be misconstrued towards others. You can say and write what ya want, of course.

     

    But there are a few new members here nowadays. And to them, this may be somewhat of a fresh topic. 

     

    Grantbo - I am beginning to see that what we discuss and bitch about here IS making a difference to future books coming out. I have the last 50 pages of Nemesis left to read, and it is, without a doubt, a surefire winner of a DL book!

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    1/15/2013 4:31 PM
    Just call me Jim.

    I guess its an age thing, as I get older I believe everything I say is true and damm you if you dare to disagree! My father is like that so I guess the old.saying of like father, like son is true.
    Now I'm off to change my incontenance pad...

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    1/15/2013 4:36 PM
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    1/15/2013 10:30 PM
    Posted By )3az )3aziah on 1/15/2013 4:16:40 AM

    Ok, I guess I should have realised after all this time that new members couldn't be arsed reading back posts to see what had been talked about ad nausium in the past before posting and my mear mention of this would be a spark that ignites the flames I have edited my above post in a way that I hope new members (and a few of the older ones) will not find offence in.

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    Fair enough. 

     

    Even though this (and many other) topic(s) may have been discussed at length in the past, a new perspective by a newer member might be helpful/useful.  In this example I brought up the idea of a Remington 1858; which is the world first quick reloading blackpowder handgun.  The authors may learn something new and incorporate this improvement into the story.  They might, for example, make up a situation where JB modifies the LeMat to change cylinders or something similar.  I think this would not only make the story more believable but would allow them to keep the same firearm from book to book.

     

    In a small way we, all of us, give inspiration to the story tellers who in turn improve their stories which give us all enjoyment. 

     

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    1/16/2013 5:40 AM
    Grantbo, nice thought about J.B. changing cylinders, but that scenario will never happen. Gun changes have to be okayed by the senior editor at GE, so that the gun specs can be dug up and forwarded to the various writers of the series. Then the Deathlands writers' "Bible" has to be updated. What a time we had getting Ryan's Steyr updated! One writer can't decide to make a gun change, as the very next book--and a couple thereafter-- will not have the new change, thus generating an inconsistency. Several books are in various stages of production at all times, so a change implemented by GE will take about nine months before it appears in print.
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    1/16/2013 6:37 AM
    I seriously doubt Nick P reads anything on here. I once asked him via E-Mail about the research he did prior to writting his first DL books, did he read any of the books already out there for example? He did reply -several weeks later, telling me in no certain terms that he was paid to write books not read them and would only do so as and when GE paid him to do so!

    Hence we got such delights as petrol powered gateways etc. from him.

    Few and far between are/were the authors that bothered to check in here.

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    1/16/2013 10:19 AM
    Good points, Baz. I just want to add a few of my own:

    People (and characters) can get attached to certain weapons, or types of weapons, for any number of reasons.

    Doc prefers his old Lemat because he's stuck in the past. His upgrades have revealed his (very) gradual acceptance of his inability to return to his own time; changing to an honest-to-god modern weapon would be like slipping over the edge into full-blown insanity. Krysty probably likes her revolver because it doesn't jam. Sure, it's only got 5 rounds (what's up with that, anyway?), but she's hardly ever in a long-range gun battle anyway. Same with Jak - not only does it not jam, but it's a freaking .357. Mildred prefers her target pistol because she's familiar with it and can shoot a fly at 50 paces.

    And speaking of familiarity... that's why people prefer certain weapons. Give me an M16 or an M4, and I'm perfectly fine with it; give me an AK, and I'll say "huh?" It takes time to get familiarized with a new weapon, which they don't often have. In life-or-death situations, you want something you know and can trust - that's why militaries issue and train their soldiers the same weapons; in combat, you don't have time to think, just react, and if you've trained so long with a weapon that it's become an extension of your body, you're more likely to survive.

    In the end, a gun is a gun - aside from things like ammo type, they're all largely interchangeable. I read somewhere that 90% of gun battles occur at 30 feet or less, which is well within the range for your average pistol.

    Re: Blades: Most of them do already. JB used to have a Tekna combat knife, but that's somehow disappeared; Mildred has a scalpel (of course); Krysty... I just can't see her using a knife. A hatchet, maybe, but not a knife.
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    1/16/2013 12:43 PM

    Let's get this thread back on track: Just finished Nemesis last night.

     

    Truly amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

     

    Read my review here. Victor Milan blew it out of the water in this one. Classic DL.

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    1/17/2013 6:28 AM
    Can't wait for this one to turn up then! As to the video, is this how Doc does it in the novels or does he just have the one Cylinder(?) thing?. I know next to nothing about guns so sorry if this is a stupid question.
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    1/17/2013 6:38 AM
    I'm about 70% of the way through this one and have to say I am enjoying it, i hope the last part continues in the same vein as the previous pages.

    @silentalbino - The LeMatt has a fixed cylinder and has to be loaded a round at a time, you can't exchange a loaded cylinder for a n empty one. The black powder version took even longer to load each round into the cylinder.

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    1/17/2013 6:48 AM
    Cheers Jim, like i say absolutly nae idea about guns.
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    1/25/2013 10:35 AM
    Wow, this turned up yesterday and I finished it at half two this morning. Fecking great book, a 9 on the Axler scale.
    I felt it started off quite slow but it started gaining momentum in the middle and turned into a honest to God avalanche of fun by the end.
    Please can we see more off Olympia, Speaker and Morning Glory.Great name by the by.
    I normally skim the battle scenes but I devoured the Mad Max esque blade battle on top off the Petrol Tanker.
    Please, please can we get more books like this one.
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    1/25/2013 11:24 AM

    I totally agree with you Silenalbino.

     

    I loved the action scenes. Having Ryan use EVERYTHING, from Panga to fists and feet, was epic Cawdor action.

     

    But I wanted more answers, insofar as where this mysterious Olympia was trained? Little hints were strewn about throughout the book, but the answer never fully revealed itself. Perhaps, and hopefully, in a near future Milan tome...?

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    2/11/2013 8:51 AM
    Nobody else finished this yet?
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    2/12/2013 10:44 AM

    Did anyone else notice the error near the bottom of page 269?

    "Ryan jumped up, panga in left hand, Steyr in the right."

    I love the book so far, but this caught my attention.

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    2/12/2013 9:26 PM
    There are a few more errors a bit later as well. One paragraph will say Scout and the next says Steyr. Editor error. Still a pretty good novel!
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    2/13/2013 3:47 AM
    I liked this book it was a great Road story . I felt it ended a bit oddly if you ask me . I would have fire bombed the field to kill off those mutie squirrels , Other than that  a good  read.
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    2/13/2013 2:28 PM

    I agree!  Great road story...  Mutie Piranha Ground Squirrels?  You've got to be shitting me.  Mildred said it best.  LOL.

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    2/14/2013 7:21 AM

    OneFallenShadow, Steyr makes the Scout Tactical rifle. So there was no error--at least not with that.

     

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    2/15/2013 1:22 AM
    Oh, thanks, Wordsmith! I did not know that. It was just weird to switch back and forth between the names.
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    2/15/2013 8:53 AM
    It's for the sake of variety. Instead of writing a character's name repeatedly, such as "Ryan,"  some writers switch it up with "the one-eyed warrior" or the disliked "Deathlands warrior." So we have" Scout," "Steyr," sometimes longblaster.
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    2/18/2013 5:16 PM
    I kinda just think back to his last sniper rifle he put down when he found the Scout.


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