Traveller 777 New Member Posts:2  
| 6/20/2009 7:00 PM |
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It has been a while since I have made a post, but lately something has been bothering me about certain books in the Deathlands series. Has anyone else noticed that not all storylines in each book follows consistency? One of the many plot lines and/or rules is that the Last Destination button or LD button in the Gate Ways, has only a 30 minute window and is mention all time in many books, as well as not being able to control the Gate Ways to where the group would like to go. One book in particular that I see an inconsistency is Chill Factor. Ryan manages to follow Dean and Zimyanin to the far north days after they left. How did he know where or which Gate Way address to use and how did they get back? Two other books that I think I noticed similar inconsistencies were Breakthrough and Cannibal Moon in how the group was able to choose which destination they wanted to go. All three of these books are some of my favourites. If there is something that I have missed or misinterpreted please let me know and correct me if I am wrong.
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APPublished Author  Veteran Member Posts:346 
| 6/21/2009 11:57 AM |
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Posted By Traveller 777 on 20 Jun 2009 07:00 PM
Two other books that I think I noticed similar inconsistencies were Breakthrough and Cannibal Moon in how the group was able to choose which destination they wanted to go. All three of these books are some of my favourites. If there is something that I have missed or misinterpreted please let me know and correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks. I haven’t looked but there probably are inconsistencies. Breakthrough was written a decade ago. As I’ve said on this site numerous times, GE doesn’t employ freelance Developmental Editors to check for things like that. So shit happens. All the time. Surely that can’t come as a big surprise if you’re familiar with the series. I’ve got to say the “LD button” (the companions’ only control over the mat-trans machinery) is one of my least favorite bits of the DL canon. That the companions don’t fully understand the tech is fine, but that they can’t seem to manipulate its operation to suit their ends after all this time (and they’re okay with that) is an awkward complicating factor that makes them seem like effing dimwits. I’m not talking about the way-too convenient Wyeth Codex here—I’m talking about their figuring out some simple, direct way of repeating jumps they’ve already made, and thereby assembling their own transport map. (If a destination code is going into the mat-trans computer, all they have to do is find a way to read it—and then have the brains to write it down.) If they never know where they’re going when they jump, story lines are limited to accidental encounters with redoubts and variations on the perverted baron theme. What worked for a handful of sequential books becomes an albatross after 30. I realize I’m looking at this from a different point of view than a reader, but working around limitations that are memorable BUT MAKE NO SENSE was one of the most difficult and frustrating parts of writing DLs. |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269 
| 6/21/2009 12:31 PM |
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Posted By AP on 21 Jun 2009 11:57 AM
I’m not talking about the way-too convenient Wyeth Codex here—I’m talking about their figuring out some simple, direct way of repeating jumps they’ve already made, and thereby assembling their own transport map.
The Wyeth Codex, convenient or otherwise had absolutely nothing to do with the operation of the the mat-trans units.
It was, to quote myself from Exile to Hell, a journal that "contained recollections of adventures and wanderings...(it) dealt in the main with Dr. Wyeth's observations, speculations and theories about the environmental conditions of postnukecaust America.
However, Mildred did discover a CD in Dark Emblem that contained the operation key and destination codes of the mat-trans network...she just had to decrypt it.
As far as I know, that CD was never referred to again.
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| 6/21/2009 12:32 PM |
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Posted By AP on 21 Jun 2009 11:57 AM
I’m not talking about the way-too convenient Wyeth Codex here—
The Wyeth Codex wasn't about the mat-trans units. |
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| 6/21/2009 12:34 PM |
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Oops! You beat me to that one!  |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 6/21/2009 1:00 PM |
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Posted By Jax2 on 21 Jun 2009 12:31 PM
Posted By AP on 21 Jun 2009 11:57 AM
I’m not talking about the way-too convenient Wyeth Codex here—I’m talking about their figuring out some simple, direct way of repeating jumps they’ve already made, and thereby assembling their own transport map.
The Wyeth Codex, convenient or otherwise had absolutely nothing to do with the operation of the the mat-trans units.
It was, to quote myself from Exile to Hell, a journal that "contained recollections of adventures and wanderings...(it) dealt in the main with Dr. Wyeth's observations, speculations and theories about the environmental conditions of postnukecaust America.
However, Mildred did discover a CD in Dark Emblem that contained the operation key and destination codes of the mat-trans network...she just had to decrypt it.
As far as I know, that CD was never referred to again.
Mark, Sorry if I got the name wrong, but the Dark Emblem CD is what I was talking about.  The one supposedly with the transport codes on it. ("codes," "Codex"? That's what confused me--never having read ETH I always thought that's what it referred to. Now I know different, thanks.) And by that transport code CD being "too convenient" I meant that it didn't require the companions thinking through and solving their predicament on their own, based on the weight of their experience. Something that would have made them seem resourceful and ingenious ... Wait a minute. Am I thinking of some other series?  |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/21/2009 2:59 PM |
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Posted By AP on 21 Jun 2009 01:00 PM
Something that would have made them seem resourceful and ingenious ... Wait a minute. Am I thinking of some other series? Outlanders?  |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
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The Phantom Basic Member Posts:219 
| 6/21/2009 7:16 PM |
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Posted By Jax2 on 21 Jun 2009 12:31 PM
However, Mildred did discover a CD in Dark Emblem that contained the operation key and destination codes of the mat-trans network...she just had to decrypt it.
As far as I know, that CD was never referred to again.
I always thought that it was a missed opportunity to include in a storyline in a DL book. Like Mildred finds a computer in a redoubt she thinks can extract the information from the disk. Sec men or muties or whatever break in and destroy the room, make off with the disk, or destroy the disk altogether. Would have made a good epilogue, having the group looking down and seeing the shattered pieces of the disk all over the floor.
Would have been better than GE have the writers evidently ignore that tidbit from Dark Emblem anyway. 
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 6/22/2009 11:38 AM |
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I always thought the interphaser in OL was more believable than the mat-trans units, which always came off as low-rent imitations of Star Trek's transporters.
"It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060 
| 6/22/2009 3:28 PM |
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Posted By Cerberus Man on 22 Jun 2009 11:38 AM
I always thought the interphaser in OL was more believable than the mat-trans units, which always came off as low-rent imitations of Star Trek's transporters.
I believe it was based more on the system used in the 1958 movie "The Fly". But did you believe the Mat-Trans before the advent of the interphaser ? =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76 
| 6/22/2009 7:27 PM |
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Cerberus man,
Everyone knows you hate Death Lands and LOOOOOOOOOOve Outlanders,so do us all a favor and stay over there?
Oh yeah,IT'S ALL SCIENCE FICTION!!!
So believability about the mat trans vs.Outlanders interphaser is a moot point.
P.S.
Did it ever occur to you that is is not a competition between Outlanders and Death Lands?Alot of us read both! |
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| 6/22/2009 11:21 PM |
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Funny thing--I started with DL from the beginning, back in 1986 when I was 16...I used to LOOOOOOOOve it.
But the interphaser is still more believable than the mat-trans.
No vomiting for one thing, so its even cleaner.
PS
Did it ever occur to you that people can discuss parts of both Outlanders and DL and you don't have to get all defensive and on the muscle about it?
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dean_cawdor1977New Member Posts:29
| 6/22/2009 11:37 PM |
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I may have this all as backwards and upside down, the CD being mentioned above, is that the CD mentioned a couple times through out Hellbenders? The one Dean thinks could get decoded with the help of the young hellbender who is more into Tech then chilling revenge? If so it hasn't been forgotten for long, I know it probably will sink into the dark depths of the GE shadow, the one that consumes all great ideas and lets them rust in purgatory..
You have to wonder if enough fans of DL wrote into GE with well worded complaints and the same suggestions.. would a voice be heard?? Something to think about I guess as we ponder the mind boggling journeys of our favorite heros
p.s. there should be a Redoubt in Cucamonga... why.. WHY NOT!! LOL
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/23/2009 10:36 AM |
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Posted By Raboy on 22 Jun 2009 11:21 PM
Did it ever occur to you that people can discuss parts of both Outlanders and DL and you don't have to get all defensive and on the muscle about it?
Especially when OL was brought into this thread by a DL writer. I find the interphaser more believable than the mat-trans myself...but not by much. I came up with it so OL wouldn't be duplicating the standard DL openings of waking up, looking around in a strange place and then puking. I don't find much satisfaction in writing about puke, regardless of how dramatic it might seem to some folks. The interphaser came about because the whole redoubt formula was incredibly limiting...not to mention that if I came up with a host of new redoubts for Kane and Crew to explore and added them to those in DL, then it would seem like the crust of the Earth would collapse beneath their collective weight. Whether the mat-trans was inspired more by The Fly or by Star Trek's transporter, the whole set-up was scientifically specious. For science-fiction to actually be science-fiction, it has to have some real science in it...otherwise it's fantasy, like Lord of the Rings. There's nothing remotely moot about it. Laurence's grasp of theoretical physics was about on par with his grasp of biology and genetics--to call it "feeble" is to be charitable. I didn't want to repeat his mat-trans/puke/explore the redoubt formula (even in my own DL novels), although I did posit an "explanation" of how the damn things came about and how they worked. The interphaser operated differently than the mat-trans, although the basic principle was the same--tapping into the quantum stream. Whereas as the mat-trans did the old tried and true of reducing matter to energy, beaming it to another location and then reassembling it, the interphaser opened localized wormholes over geomagnetic vortex points--the intersections of ley lines, earth energies. It was more like opening a conduit between point A to point B and the travelers just stepped from one end of the conduit to the other--far closer to Jack Kirby's "Boom Tubes" than a teleportation machine. For the times when the Cerberus Crew couldn't find a convenient vortex point in a place they needed to be, they climbed into a Manta ship and just flew there. Both methods streamlined the storytelling and greatly diminished the puke potential. |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 6/23/2009 11:20 AM |
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I always thought that if LJ had expanded the mat-trans side effect from just puking to puking, shitting, and pissing, the result would have been much more CINEMATIC. It certainly would have forced “a change of clothes” and perhaps even the occasional bath.  |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 6/23/2009 2:53 PM |
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In fairness I need to add that I was never one to dwell on hygiene or wardrobe issues in my DLs, even though I was at times disturbed by the implications of what I was writing. Clearly, the blame for some of the aroma is mine. I take full responsibility for it.
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 6/23/2009 5:23 PM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 22 Jun 2009 03:28 PM
I believe it was based more on the system used in the 1958 movie "The Fly".
But did you believe the Mat-Trans before the advent of the interphaser ?
Not really. I had read a couple of Outlanders books before my then-roommate informed me that the mat-trans was from the DL series. Mark came up with an okay-seeming scientific explanation for how the mat-trans units operated, but I liked the interphaser much better. It was portable for one thing and for another, when the Cerberus Crew used it, they didn't have to wander aimlessly around an underground installation for a couple of chapters, trying to figure out where they were. With the interphaser, the Cerberus Crew knew exactly where they were going. And they didn't puke when they got there, either.  "It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/23/2009 9:41 PM |
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First,you are ripping on a dead mans writing.Very mature.
And yes,It Is A MOOT POINT because the Technology you mention that makes the Interphaser work(theoretically) is every bit as far fetched as Mat Trans Tech,considering neither is possible or even within centuries of existing.So you might as well be coming up with an interphaser to help Frodo get to Mt. Doom to destroy that ring as you compare Laurence James work to Fantasy while yours is based on Jack Kirbys Boom Tube?(a freakin' D.C. Comic)
In closing you and alot of other authors all keep taking cheap shots at Laurence(a dead man)James,who made Death Lands the hit series it is.
Why is that I wonder?Jealousy???
Oh yeah,as a reader I find all kinds of faults with Laurence james writing,such as Ryan using a Sig P226 with a built in silencer,even though I own sigs and know that they(nor any gun existing)has such a feature,His having Trader's "Battered Armalite"rifle fire a 9mm pistol round instead of a 5.56mm intermediate round was stupid.Never ever having anyone actualy chamber a round on their weapons pissed me off too.But,having said all that,I would rather read anything written by Laurence James)puke/redoubt exploring/dirty clothes and all,than be disapointed by the shortcommings of almost everyone of you guy's who don't make a pimple on L.J.'s ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris,Death Lands fan since the beginning/  |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/23/2009 11:09 PM |
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Something tells me that, just like your name-sake, your reservations have already been made in the cornfield.
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The PhantomBasic Member Posts:219
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| 6/24/2009 7:04 AM |
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On the upside, AOEC types really well for a two year old.
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mikeclrBasic Member Posts:197 
| 6/24/2009 10:57 AM |
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Woops!
"Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch
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mikeclrBasic Member Posts:197
| 6/24/2009 11:27 AM |
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What the heck is with the format of that post? Oh well, it was too long to re-type...  "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/24/2009 11:26 PM |
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I have no idea how I will ever sleep again after such a witty comeback.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/24/2009 11:35 PM |
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Look friend,if you read how many times this Cerberus man takes cheap shots at Death Lands you would know what I mean.
And saying that the interphaser is more believable than the mat trans is like saying that Star Trek is more believable than Star Wars.
And I have no problem discusing things without getting "all defensive and on the muscle"
You try letting that Cerberus man(smart ass that he is)take a few shots at you and Death Lands(my favorite book,and I read everyone from #1 up at age 19 till age 36) and see how you react.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/24/2009 11:40 PM |
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Oh yeah,you are so funny,mimicking me with theLooooooooove thing.Especially since I was not speaking to you,this was between me and someone who has taken shots at me before.
So to you I say you can kiss my J.B. DIX. |
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 6/25/2009 9:43 AM |
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A few years back we had a practice here called "The Cut and Paste Challenge".
This came about because one guy, One Eye Chills, (who we not-so affectionately called One Eye Que) made a rep for himself for posting paranoid claims against other members here.
He almost never could produce the actual posts that he claimed the other members had made but that never stopped him from making the crazy accusations.
I'm calling the Cut and Paste Challenge on you--when did I ever take direct shots at you? I don't remember ever addressing you directly until now. Cut and paste from those posts to prove that I have taken shots at you specifically in the past.
BTW--One Eye Que ended up getting banned from here for continuing to post unsubstantiated accusations against other members after being told numerous times to either prove it or knock it off.
"It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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mikeclrBasic Member Posts:197
| 6/25/2009 10:57 AM |
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In this case it was probably use of the term "low rent" that could be considering insulting.
In the specific application of the term to an object of discussion it is easy for someone who favorably views said object to interpret said as not only being applied to the object in question but to any person favorably viewing same.
Low rent:
adj. Informal.
1. Having inexpensive rent: a low-rent apartment.
2. Of low social status or moral character: “Steve Buscemi … may play low-rent, amoral types—hit men, weasels, snivelers—but … he's more complicated than that” (Richard Leiby).
3. Lacking taste or refinement: a low-rent television drama.
While certainly not precisely directed at, but rather as an implicitly veiled reference to, DL and DL readers in general, use of the term could be considered very insulting by some.
This is definitely a typical no-win situation, but I'm just sayin'...
"Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/26/2009 3:02 AM |
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First off buddy,I am here because I Love Death Lands,not to bicker with you or anyone else ok?
Second,I am not interested in playing your "cut and paste" game either.You have really only directly annoyed me one time by doing a smart ass "YAAAAAAAAAwwwwwwn" because I said why I like Death Lands better.I also noticed that I am not the only guy on here you have pised off.Some other guy awhile back complained to Ron Miles about you too.I won't do that though,I'm an adult.
Also I am anoyed by you bashing Death Lands every chance you get.
I was not addressing you in my last statement,but someone else who made a remark to me on your behalf.
I have no problem with you and if that little comment about this "One Eye Chills" getting banned is some kind of threat,save it.
You kind of threw the first verbal punch so to speak,I should have taken the high ground and ignored you.
Go on bashing Death Lands and from now on I will just ignore you as there are far more people on here willing to discuss a series they love rather than fight about Outlanders and Death Lands.
What is with your competition between the books anyway?
Most here are likely fans of both.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 6/26/2009 3:17 AM |
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Who are you calling a 2 yr old pal? Now we are into name calling?
I don't recall insulting you,and if I said something you dislike,grow a pair and say something to me instead of insulting me to another member!
Lets see, AOEC?
Would that be a cowardly shot by not actually saying "Another One Eyed Chiller"=AOEC?
On what basis am I being called a 2 yr old?
Because I defended the best author(A deceased man) Death Lands by saying that the series is not as well written by some of the current authors who were bashing Laurence James???
And the reason I type so well is because I am 36,not 2.
Don't quit your day job to become a comedian like you had planned.
I did not come here for this.I came to discuss the Death lands books with other like minded individuals,yet I am constantly being insulted by people like you and no it's come down to name calling.
Now I know why the site has so few mwmbers.
You "Veteran" members harass the new members(like me) enough to make them regret joining.
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 6/26/2009 2:55 PM |
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Posted By Another One Eyed Chiller on 26 Jun 2009 03:02 AM
Second,I am not interested in playing your "cut and paste" game either. Big surprise--since there's no record of me ever addressing you directly and certainly not taking any shots at you as you accused. Out of respect for Ron and his sincere efforts to clean up this site, I'm not going to engage with you any further. However I will continue to post my opinions about various issues and if you know from the outset that they'll upset you, then don't read them. You're responsible for your own reactions, responses and misinterpretations. "It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 10:48 PM |
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Well.I am glad you used to "LOOOOOOOove it."
You have a good point,I should be able to discuss The books without being "defensive and on the muscle"
Sometimes I guess I lose my cool after alot of A-holes on this site going out of their way to antagonize me though.You know what I mean I guess?For instance,someone I was not speaking to going out of their way to make fun of me with a smart ass imitation of my post.
You know,typing the word "LOOOOOOOove"to insult or degrade someone for no reason other than the fact that the person doing it is an immature nerd who most likely is wearing StarTrek pajammas while typing insulting crap in his mommys basement. |
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 10:59 PM |
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Either you are unable to read The English language or you have a very short memory so I will say this to you one last time.
On one occasion you did indeed address me directly.Shall I remind you with the exact details?
I made a post on the forum"which is bettereathlands or Outlanders"
I made no insulting remarks about Outlanders,I simply stated that I like Deathlands more,as well as listing the reasons why.
In a very immature act,you responded with a "YAAAAAAAAAWWWnNNNNNNN"
Not much of a response,but I took it to be a bit of a smartass and immature response.I responded by saying that if the baby is tired he might need a nap.And funny that I was instantly locked out of that topic.I guess that is because you have been here longer and do a better job of kissing a certain someones rear end than I.
I hope that jogs your memory and believe me,your comment about not addressing me anymore would make me very happy if you keep your word.
I am sure in reality you and alot of other people who come off as raging A-holes on this site are really nice guy's.
I will do my best to not bother you if you do the same towards me,ok? |
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 11:08 PM |
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By the way,There is a record of you addressing me one time.It's in the Forum of "The Eternal Debate,which is better,Outlanders or Deathlands"
Don't flatter yourself pal,nothing you can say "upsets" me,as I find it funny.
Also I don't need your tidbits of advice as I have not misenterpreted anything.It's fairly easy to tell when someone is being a smartass.
As far as my reactions and responses,I am aware of my responsibility,but thanks anyway for feeling so clever as to feel the need to try and speak to me like I actually would need your little pearls of wisdom.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 11:16 PM |
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Hahahah.
You know what my friend,
That little dig about me being a 2 year old is so funny,I think I would be more than glad to buy you a plane ticket so I could actually hear you say that to my face.I mean this in the most friendly way as I have one hell of a sense of humor.
Hahaha,I mean lets face it.It is very chickenshit to say something like that from the comfort of your mommies basement and even more ball less to not say it directly to me,but to another member,considering you were taking a shot at someone who has never bothered you in any way? |
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 11:22 PM |
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I am so sorry that you do not like the length of my post,especially since It does not concern you.
Why the hell would you want to retype it anyway?
Christ,if I had known the people on this site were such jerks and A-holes I never would have joined.
I think I just might leave it to you and your Star Trek pajamma wearing bunch odf nerd freinds,
I actually thought that cool people who were interested in didcussing the books were on this site,instead I run into insult hurling geeks. |
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 11:24 PM |
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Homosexuals usually do laugh at lame jokes.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/4/2009 11:27 PM |
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Well,
For your sake I hope you are successful as an author.
If your plan was to give up writing to become a comedian;don't! |
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 7/5/2009 4:17 PM |
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Posted By Another One Eyed Chiller on 04 Jul 2009 11:08 PM
By the way,There is a record of you addressing me one time.It's in the Forum of "The Eternal Debate,which is better,Outlanders or Deathlands"
Then cut and paste it. You can't because that post doesn't exist, just like the "shots" you accused me of taking at you don't exist. Great job, by the way, of respecting Ron and refraining from lashing out at everybody in an attempt to start an old-style JA.com flame war. Class act all the way. "It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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Traveller 777New Member Posts:2
| 7/5/2009 7:31 PM |
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First of all, I have to say that I appreciate the comments from actual authors and it has left me feeling quite humble. I truly think it is great to see different perspectives on the same situational view. Looking at the books from a key element such as the disk found in Dark Emblem and they may have cracked the code to use them is awesome. Politically, as I have read so far on the difficulties writers seem to have with GE; it makes it a lot more sense why details like this are not discussed or pursued much further. I have enjoyed the continuity of the books and details throughout them. I also believe that it is important that some new elements to be introduced to a series like Deathlands it makes things interesting. Stoneface, is an awesome example of this. I personally enjoyed the different direction that the Cold fire Project Books brought, or Shadow World and Breakthough. The way Breaththough ended, it was left like a cliff hanger it was great. It is almost like there could have been another book in the alternate reality theme. Mr. Philipson was there ever a plan for another book along the same storyline?
Oh, disagreements are good to have, because it allows one to see and learn different perspectives and to change opinions on a topic, like I have. Personal attacks on this site are not only disrespectful to the readers and the creator of the website, it is really disrespectful to all the authors for which their works are the reason we have discussions.
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
| 7/6/2009 12:40 AM |
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First,either you have areally bad memory or you are simply a liar.
I can't cut and paste it because I am locked out of that forum,so why don't you do the decent thing and cut and paste it?It is there for everyone to see.It is in the Forum titled"The Eternal Debate of which is Better,Deathlands or Outlanders".
And really,I am tired of this back and forth Bullshit with you anyway.
I even said that you did not take any shots at me other than a minor irritation of you making a "YAAAAwwwwwwwwwnnn"comment after I put up a post.You honestly don't remember doing that?
And dude,You have no right to drag Ron or anyone else into our disagreement.I have in no way disrespected Ron Miles and I have not lashed out at "everyone" as you put it.
What ever it is you are smoking,can I get the number of your dealer?
Look,I do not like you,you do not like me,so simply don't bother me and I will not bother you,ok???
As far as your little comment about me being a class act?
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Another One Eyed ChillerNew Member Posts:76
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I agree,Stone Face was a great book and Mark Ellis is one of the few authors to take up Laurence James mantle and perhaps even do a better job.
The personal attack thing you mention is a problem,I am not guilty of it,yet I have been getting them since I joined this site so I have finally sunk to their level and started retaliating.
That is not the reason I joined.It seems however that most of if not a large percentage of members are more interested in fighting and I have even been called names(maybe thats why you have seen me writing some harsh retallitory posts)Why does the creator of the website try a bit harder to end the onslaught of insults and maname calling?
I sure wish I could make a post without being torn to shreds.
And if I am one of the people you are refering to,I assure you I have made no personal attacks,only defending myself!
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