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ShadowTek

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9/18/2011 1:36 PM
Ok, I know this is a dumb question, but are all the main guns that Ryan and co. use all real guns? (that is do they actually exist now) I know most are real, but are any considered "future" guns that dont actually exist? Also, the two war wags in book 1 used by the Trader, do they actually exist in real life (are they real actual military trucks?) If so can someone post or link to a picture of what they look like? Or are they made up?

medic15al

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9/18/2011 7:54 PM
Hi! I am a firearms enthusiast and the weapon that the group uses are real. Ryan: SIG P-226. Doesn't have an integral silencer in reallity, but they are commonly uses with screw on suppressors. I carried the SIG P-226 in 9mm and .357Sig as an police officer. The Styer SSG Rifle in 7.62x51 (.308 Win.) is an actual rifle, but the scope technology isnt realized yet. Krysty: The Smith & Wesson model 642 .38 Special is an older model all-Stainless steel 5-shot 1 7/8 in Barrel snub-nosed revolver. Very high quality. J.B. : The Mini-Uzi and the S&W M-3000 shotgun are real but not commonly found. The S&W kinda looks like an Rem 870. Fletchet rounds arent loaded except by small custom ammo makers and are not as effective as OO Buckshot or Slugs due to low mass. Mildred: Her ZKR Czech revolver is real, but I have never seen one. Also, as a Paramedic, I can say a lot of the meds and procedures are real also. Jak: Colt Python Stainless .357 Magnum... Drool..Slobber.. A premium top of the line revolver made by Colt and wicked accurate. Doc: The LeMat revolver is an Cap-and-Ball 9-shot .44 caliber revolver with an about an 18 guage Black powder shotgun barrel in the middle. Long to reload, very well documented figh stopper. In the #100 Prodigal's Return, he found a modern replica chambered for .44 Magnum and 12 ga. This does not exist in reality. Dean: Browning Hi-Power 9mm. Quite arguably one of the finest fighting handguns ever made. Legendary in reliability and in natural aiming. Own several and is my choice for every day carry. You can Google Image all of their firearms and get an idea what they look like. Vehicles? Mostly true except for droids and lasers. Imangination for folks building wags in that environment.

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9/19/2011 6:15 AM
Medic15al, J.B.'s shotgun isn't an M-3000; it's an M-4000. I tried over the years to locate a pic or specs on it, but never could. I came to the conclusion that it doesn't exist. Perhaps the extra thousand in model number was meant to indicate some kind of futuristic "advanced technology"? If 3000 is good, then 4000 has got to be even better? Or maybe it was just a typo perpetuated for 100 books? AP

medic15al

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9/19/2011 6:55 AM
Posted By AP on 19 Sep 2011 06:15 AM Medic15al, J.B.'s shotgun isn't an M-3000; it's an M-4000. I tried over the years to locate a pic or specs on it, but never could. I came to the conclusion that it doesn't exist. Perhaps the extra thousand in model number was meant to indicate some kind of futuristic "advanced technology"? If 3000 is good, then 4000 has got to be even better? Or maybe it was just a typo perpetuated for 100 books? AP Possibly a mix up between authors and books. Seems I remember the James written books or abouts it was a 3000, or my mind may say 3000 when he says 4000. I try to picture the right guns as I read, but some mistakes like cocking the hammer on Krysty;s .38 tend to surface. The S&W 642 does not have an exposed hammer.. ETC... Mistakes like that. I liked it when Krysty carried the H&K P7 M-13. Trader was described in one book carrying an M-16A5. These models are in the testing and eval stage in the USMC, this book was 15 years ago.

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9/19/2011 7:55 AM
Yikes! I think the 12-gauge in #100 is supposed to be a 16-gauge. I'll check that out. If it is 12-gauge, that is definitely a typo.

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9/19/2011 8:07 AM
Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 19 Sep 2011 07:55 AM Yikes! I think the 12-gauge in #100 is supposed to be a 16-gauge. I'll check that out. If it is 12-gauge, that is definitely a typo. Book 100? I thought it was J.B.'s Regular M-4000 (3000)12 ga? Just finished reading it last week. 16ga shotguns are not as commonplace anymore. My favorite guage for hunting. But the 12ga. and 20ga. overshadows it.

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9/19/2011 9:11 AM
Sorry--I was referring to Doc's LeMat replica.

medic15al

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9/19/2011 9:34 AM
Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 19 Sep 2011 09:11 AM Sorry--I was referring to Doc's LeMat replica. Oh...Yeah.. That would be more realistic. It was mentioned IIRC towards the end of the book it was a 12ga, when Doc first took it it really didnt say. I assumed myself it was a 20ga untill I saw where 12ga was mentioned.

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9/19/2011 9:51 AM
Wow, lots of details thanks, Ive been googleing those weapons as Im curious what they all look like, the S&W M-3000 shotgun and the Styer SSG Rifle in particular look pretty basass!

ShadowTek

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9/19/2011 10:47 AM
Ok here we go, here are the images Ive found of what everyone carries if anyone is curious, let me know if any of the images are incorrect. Browning Hi-Power 9mm: Colt Python Stainless .357 Magnum: The Styer SSG Rifle: The LeMat revolver: Mini-Uzi S&W M-3000 shotgun: SIG P-226: Smith & Wesson model 642 .38 Special: ZKR Czech revolver: Oh and then there of course is The Traders weapon.. Armalite AR-18 rifle:

medic15al

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9/19/2011 12:45 PM
The Real M-3000 doesn't have that magazine box in front of the trigger. Looks just like an Remington 870. Close pic tho.

ShadowTek

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9/19/2011 12:58 PM
Ahh ok, how about this image medic15al: S&M M-3000 Shotgun: Also I made a mistake, The trader carried a Armalite AR-15 rifle not a AR-18:

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9/19/2011 2:02 PM
Posted By AP on 19 Sep 2011 06:15 AM Medic15al, J.B.'s shotgun isn't an M-3000; it's an M-4000. I tried over the years to locate a pic or specs on it, but never could. I came to the conclusion that it doesn't exist. Perhaps the extra thousand in model number was meant to indicate some kind of futuristic "advanced technology"? If 3000 is good, then 4000 has got to be even better? Or maybe it was just a typo perpetuated for 100 books? AP All right, here's my M-5000, take that! Or no wait... chucks in trash , I'm whippin out my M-6000! I have you now!! Uh oh... is that an M-7000 you're pointing at me...?

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9/19/2011 2:49 PM
Posted By ShadowTek on 19 Sep 2011 12:58 PM Ahh ok, how about this image medic15al: S&M M-3000 Shotgun: Also I made a mistake, The trader carried a Armalite AR-15 rifle not a AR-18: Perfect!! Making me drool, now!

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9/19/2011 2:50 PM
Posted By The Phantom on 19 Sep 2011 02:02 PM Posted By AP on 19 Sep 2011 06:15 AM Medic15al, J.B.'s shotgun isn't an M-3000; it's an M-4000. I tried over the years to locate a pic or specs on it, but never could. I came to the conclusion that it doesn't exist. Perhaps the extra thousand in model number was meant to indicate some kind of futuristic "advanced technology"? If 3000 is good, then 4000 has got to be even better? Or maybe it was just a typo perpetuated for 100 books? AP All right, here's my M-5000, take that! Or no wait... chucks in trash , I'm whippin out my M-6000! I have you now!! Uh oh... is that an M-7000 you're pointing at me...? M-9800.... Sorry!!!

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9/19/2011 3:09 PM
Check out the DL series origin material in the back of Encounter. From the gitgo it was a S&W M-4000. When folks are listing the companions' weapons they should remember that in DL the world ended in 2001 but the books started being written in 1985, so what was cutting edge then (every weapon--with the exception of the nonexistent M-4000--is listed in Jane's Infantry Weapons 1983-84), is pretty much what the heroes got stuck with. I guess the M-4000 business means the "weapons' issues" in DL started before the series even got off the ground. So for people to complain about that seems, ah forget it ...

ShadowTek

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9/19/2011 3:09 PM
hey medic I sent you a msg, but Ill post it here as I imagine others may be curious as I was, The AR-15 seems to be almost the same as the M-16 is there any difference between the two rifles?

medic15al

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9/19/2011 3:23 PM
Posted By AP on 19 Sep 2011 03:09 PM Check out the DL series origin material in the back of Encounter. From the gitgo it was a S&W M-4000. When folks are listing the companions' weapons they should remember that in DL the world ended in 2001 but the books started being written in 1985, so what was cutting edge then (every weapon--with the exception of the nonexistent M-4000--is listed in Jane's Infantry Weapons 1983-84), is pretty much what the heroes got stuck with. I guess the M-4000 business means the "weapons' issues" in DL started before the series even got off the ground. So for people to complain about that seems, ah forget it ... Yeah, I went back and saw that. My mistake. I guess I was putting 3000 when it was 4000. Like that H&K G12 Caseless rifle Ryan used a bit. There wasnt a G12, but the G11 Caseless was real and look like the G12 described.

ShadowTek

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9/19/2011 3:29 PM
personally I have no complaints, Im not a gun expert like medic15al is, I was curious of what the guns looked like, as I wanna picture what there using, but I understand what your saying, I wonder what differences would have been made if say the books were to start now, as they took the soviet vs usa route, I simply justify it in my own mind as a alternate time line, its funny as in the early books, the vids are tapes and not CDs (were CD around then?) To me the alternate time line justifies everything, especially now that I know that all the guns are real, what do you think if the books had started now, there weapons would be? I wonder

medic15al

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9/19/2011 3:30 PM
For ShadowTec: Hi! Thanks for the kind words! Been shooting and reloading and loving guns since I was 7. The AR-15 is the Civilian legal semi-automatic only version of the M-16. ( note, you can possess Full-auto with a Class-III license with conditions.) The M-16, M-16A1 and Colt Commando carbines are select fire ( Safe, Semi, and Full auto) M-16A2 is an improved version with a faster barrel twist for the updated M-855(SS109) Green Tip ammo, heavier barrel front end, round forward handguards, and a 3 round Burst instead of full auto. M-16A3 is the same as an A2 but has full auto instead of burst. This was an export version and never adopted by the U.S. M-16A4 is the same as the A2 but has the removeable carry handle to place optics on the rifle. Some have removeable front sights as well. M-16A5 is the rifle lenght upper of an A2 ( 20in Barrel) but has an telescoping buttstock like the M4 carbines. Word is still out whether it will keep burst fire or auto fire. Being evaluated by the USMC as I last heard. AR-15 and M-16 family of weapons are chambered in 5.56x45 NATO, (.223 Remington) And there is a 9mm carbine versionas well. Some in .308 (AR-10) and a few in 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 Soviet calibers, but they are not common. Check out www.ar15.com for info. Warning! Major jackholes on the General discussion group.

ShadowTek

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9/19/2011 3:32 PM
PS.. @AP I look forward to getting that, Ive heard that book 0 is not a normal book, and I look forward to seeing whats there, of course It for me will be the audio version, hopefully all the info will be there as you talk about..

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9/20/2011 4:13 AM
To shadowtec... The picture of ryans steyr is wrong. the rifle ryan uses is this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_SSG_69 and not the one you have a picture of. before this rifle ryan had a heckler and kock G-12 rifle which was a future version of the heckler and kock G-11 caseless rifle. in the first book he used a LAPA.

ShadowTek

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9/20/2011 7:35 PM
thanks Harry Whittleberry 2 for the correct image Check that responce by medic15al hes clearly a expert on guns, thanks foe that detailed answer man!! I guess Ill ask you this dumb question (as the answer may be obvious to others) I get that the bigger the caliber is, the more bigger the bullet and the biger the damage right? so at risk of being stupid... a 9mm is like the military choice right? why would the army not pick a 38 (that is 29 caliber bigger right?) also whats the difference between a caliber and a guage? Like a 38 caliber and a 12 guage shotgun? how many calibers are in a guage, or am I a compleate idiot for asking that (Its ok make fun of me at will I Imagine I deserve it) Its just that you seem to know allot about guns, and I guess if I dont ask, Ill never know..

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9/20/2011 8:32 PM
Re: M-4000 et al: those could simply be typos; after all, 4000 is one digit removed from 3000. OTOH, Ryan uses an SSG-70 (not a 69), as well as the G-12, so I'm betting it was a deliberate "weapons of the future" thing. Oh, and can I put those pics on the wiki? They would be a great addition. Re: Calibers: .38 is how big it is in inches. 9 mm is, of course, how big it is in mm. One inch is 2.54 cm (25.4 mm), so they're roughly the same size (.38 cal is 9.65 mm). [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber]this article talks all about calibers[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_(bore_diameter)]this article[/url] goes into detail about gauges (I must admit, I'm not a gun nut, so I had to look it up ). As for why the military uses 9 mm vs. .38... I think they just preferred using an automatic vs. a revolver (most, but not all, .38s are revolvers; I think automatics were just easier/cheaper to come by, plus they hold more rounds).

ShadowTek

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9/20/2011 8:40 PM
ahh crap.. I didnt think mm vs caliber (9mm vs 38 cal) I didnt know that lol, thanks, as far as the images, they were all taken from public store type sites, so yes you can legally use them in the wiki, I purposely didnt pic private images

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9/21/2011 2:29 AM
I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago.

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9/21/2011 6:28 AM
Posted By ShadowTek on 20 Sep 2011 07:35 PM thanks Harry Whittleberry 2 for the correct image Check that responce by medic15al hes clearly a expert on guns, thanks foe that detailed answer man!! I guess Ill ask you this dumb question (as the answer may be obvious to others) I get that the bigger the caliber is, the more bigger the bullet and the biger the damage right? so at risk of being stupid... a 9mm is like the military choice right? why would the army not pick a 38 (that is 29 caliber bigger right?) also whats the difference between a caliber and a guage? Like a 38 caliber and a 12 guage shotgun? how many calibers are in a guage, or am I a compleate idiot for asking that (Its ok make fun of me at will I Imagine I deserve it) Its just that you seem to know allot about guns, and I guess if I dont ask, Ill never know.. A 9mm is a .355 caliber, or diameter, of the bullet. a .38 is actualy a .357 diameter. a modern .44 Magnum or special uses a .429 caliber ( Which sounds better, 44 mag or 43 mag?) Doc's original LeMat .44 cal used .457 diameter balls (slightly larger than today's .45, which is ..452) The LeMat's shotgun barrel is roughly about .60 cal, a 20 Gauge is .61 cal. Good shotgun Guage info and chart here.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...auge_(bore_diameter)

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9/21/2011 6:49 AM
Also, cartridge design plays into power as well. For example: The .38 Special, which fires a .357 diameter bullet, was designed in 1898 as a black powder cartridge, hence why the case is so long proportion to powder amount, Metric designation of the .38 Spl is 9mmx29mmR (R denotes a rimmed cartridge) The 9x19mm NATO (9mm Parabellum) was designed in 1902 specifically for smokeless powder which gives higher chamber pressures. So a small case is adequate to obtain the velocity. These 2 cartridges are very close in power comparisons, but the 9mm has an edge due to smokeless design and what's called an efficient powder space. Black powder is a relatively slower burning powder than smokeless, and more was needed to get it up to speed.

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9/21/2011 8:29 AM
Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 21 Sep 2011 02:29 AM I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago. HW2, Just because someone does something for a reason doesn't make the something a good choice. If the mythical weapons in question (M-4000, g12, Steyr Model 70) aren't any different than the real ones, I don't see the point of the larger-number exercise. Isn't a different model number supposed to indicate some kind of significant change in the product? Maybe CL/LJ never bought a car, TV, or refrigerator? To me this has always seemed a particularly weak effort by all concerned (CL, LJ, GE) especially since these guns are "signature weapons" that the companions will be forced to carry (and the ghostwriters will have to go on and on about) until the series is cancelled. AP

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9/21/2011 8:45 AM
Posted By AP on 21 Sep 2011 08:29 AM Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 21 Sep 2011 02:29 AM I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago. HW2, Just because someone does something for a reason doesn't make the something a good choice. If the mythical weapons in question (M-4000, g12, Steyr Model 70) aren't any different than the real ones, I don't see the point of the larger-number exercise. Isn't a different model number supposed to indicate some kind of significant change in the product? Maybe CL/LJ never bought a car, TV, or refrigerator? To me this has always seemed a particularly weak effort by all concerned (CL, LJ, GE) especially since these guns are "signature weapons" that the companions will be forced to carry (and the ghostwriters will have to go on and on about) until the series is cancelled. AP I was only saying that i rememberd a post i read a while back that said why they were called that. soory to have jumpped in on someone elses posts.

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9/21/2011 8:55 AM
Harry, no need to apologize. Feel free to jump in on any post where you have something to contribute. Differing opinions are fine. "Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents

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9/21/2011 9:14 AM
HW2, You didn't jump in on anything. You added to the discussion. I'd forgotten that Baz said LJ told him that. AP

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9/21/2011 3:42 PM
Hey, Al! Ryan gets an upgrade in an upcoming book. The Steyr SSG-70 is ditched in favor of a Steyr Scout Tactical. Hopefully others will get an upgrade in due course.

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9/21/2011 6:14 PM
Styer Scout Tactical. Nice! http://images.google.com/...l0l1l1l0l62l62l1l1l0

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9/21/2011 9:42 PM
Shadow: Cool. I figured they were public images, but I didn't want to just yoink them and toss them up on the wiki without a a courtesy request. Wordsmith: Really? Holy crap! First Dean comes back, then the weapons change... what's next, new party members??

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9/21/2011 10:07 PM
I had the honor of equipping Ryan with the Steyr Scout tactical in the upcoming Hell Road Warriors. Hope you all enjoy the devastation that ensues . . .

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9/22/2011 3:18 AM
Why yes, Kerrick. New party members indeed. Well, one so far.

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9/22/2011 4:45 AM
will dean replace ryan

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9/22/2011 4:47 AM
Posted By Chuck on 21 Sep 2011 10:07 PM I had the honor of equipping Ryan with the Steyr Scout tactical in the upcoming Hell Road Warriors. Hope you all enjoy the devastation that ensues . . . who said you cud do that gold eagle or you. how can you be sure it will carry over into the books after this one. its the same with docs new lemat in book 100 will he be back to his lod gun in the next book. getting things to follow on in dl books is a big problem with many writers.

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9/22/2011 6:11 AM
Well, When Doc threw his original cap-n-ball LeMat into the river, it symbolyzed a big and bold change. Doc has been for some time now perusing cartridge revolvers as an advandage. Guns and crew have changed during the series and it has been a while, so in order to not get stagnant new material must be cycled in from time-to-time.

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9/22/2011 8:23 AM
Posted By Chuck on 21 Sep 2011 10:07 PM I had the honor of equipping Ryan with the Steyr Scout tactical in the upcoming Hell Road Warriors. Hope you all enjoy the devastation that ensues . . . Chuck, Looked on the net yesterday and couldn't find a date of first manufacture for the tactical variant of the Steyr Scout. The basic Scout was released for sale sometime in 1999 I think. Five models of the SBS Tactical (a different model, law enforcement sniper rifle) were introduced in April 2000. Do you have a link for the actual release date of the Scout Tactical? Are the photos of the Steyr Scout Tactical in the link above examples of pre-Nukecaust models? AP

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9/22/2011 8:30 AM
Posted By medic15al on 22 Sep 2011 06:11 AM Well, When Doc threw his original cap-n-ball LeMat into the river, it symbolyzed a big and bold change. Doc has been for some time now perusing cartridge revolvers as an advandage. Guns and crew have changed during the series and it has been a while, so in order to not get stagnant new material must be cycled in from time-to-time. I always enjoyed Doc's blackpowder obsession. It was a constant reminder of his "issues" over being dragged kicking and screaming into the future/refusal to accept the world he had been thrust into--a defining element of his character. Without it he's just another goon with a gun in Thrift Store duds. And if he's going to "upgrade" for technological reasons why in the world would he choose another WHEELGUN of unlikely-to-find caliber and no spare parts? But hey, not my problem anymore. To be honest, writing around other people's mental coprolites got old real quick. Plus, honor though it might have been, the pay sucked royal.

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9/22/2011 8:48 AM
Posted By AP on 22 Sep 2011 08:30 AM ...why in the world would he choose another WHEELGUN of unlikely-to-find caliber and no spare parts? No, its a hero gun, they never break and there is always ammo to be found for them.look at book 100, cop car 100+ years in the ruins full of all guns and ammo the group need in the trunk the first place you would look on a cop car. like that would be missed by scavs over the years and it does say the weels have been taken from it.

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9/22/2011 9:15 AM
Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 22 Sep 2011 08:48 AM Posted By AP on 22 Sep 2011 08:30 AM ...why in the world would he choose another WHEELGUN of unlikely-to-find caliber and no spare parts? No, its a hero gun, they never break and there is always ammo to be found for them.look at book 100, cop car 100+ years in the ruins full of all guns and ammo the group need in the trunk the first place you would look on a cop car. like that would be missed by scavs over the years and it does say the weels have been taken from it. HW2, If it's a MAGIC HERO GUN, then why bother to change it? That's what I mean by "mental coprolites." You could break a mental ankle trying to step around them. Plus the blackpowder LeMat smoked like a chimney, always a crowd-pleaser. AP

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9/22/2011 2:20 PM
To answer a few of the previous questions: -When I suggested to GE there be some weapons fixes in the DL universe they were kind enough to let me start with Ryan, and if any of you out there have ever handled a Steyr Scout they are about as handy a rifle as you can imagine, and would be my first choice for roaming the wasteland. -Yes, the top middle photo a few posts back is the weapon Ryan is using. -Research on the exact date of the Steyr Scout tactical 's introduction is a bit sparse. There are manufacturer's photos of them dated 1999 but I could not find the date when they were released for sale in North America. (in 20/20 hindsight I should have just emailed Steyr and asked.) Without giving away too much of the plot, the weapon Ryan acquires in Hell Road Warriors was purchased by the Canadian government to re-equip their reactivated Diefenbunkers. I feel fairly certain that if in late 1999 early 2000 the Canadian military asked Steyr for a hundred Tactical Scouts, stat, and on the qt, Steyr would have gleefully gotten them their rifles. So, I stand by the 'realism' of Ryan having a Scout to shoulder. -I did most of my research on the rifle on this site. Scroll to the bottom and it will tell you almost everything you ever wanted to know about the concept. http://www.steyrscout.org/project.htm Cheers! Chuck

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9/22/2011 2:32 PM
They are indeed handy rifles, and accurate to boot!

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9/22/2011 4:41 PM
Chuck, Yeah, that was one of the sites I looked at. Your rationale sounds perfectly logical. If anyone ever tries to call you on the facts, plead "Alternate Universe." It's always worked for me. (For example, in the DL-verse a "hammerless .38" actually has enough hammer to thumbcock.) AP P.S.: Had GE given me the opportunity to rearm Ryan I would have gone for the SPTHASR Model 750,034 (Steam-Powered, Tactical, Hydrochloric Acid Squirt Rifle). Which is probably why my pleas always fell on deaf ears.

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9/23/2011 2:07 AM
Posted By Chuck on 22 Sep 2011 02:20 PM -When I suggested to GE there be some weapons fixes in the DL universe they were kind enough to let me start with Ryan... Chuck does that mean the others will get new guns as well.

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9/23/2011 8:49 AM
Wordsmith: AP: Love that new weapon; I could see the folks from Shadow Earth using one. Harry: I believe someone did say that, yes. I can't believe Doc threw his old gun into the river - it helped tie him to the past, a long-forgotten relic of a better time. Still, he has been considering it for some time (and getting a lot of flak from the others), so I suppose it was about time for him to bite the bullet (no pun intended) and get an upgrade.

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9/23/2011 9:29 AM
Posted By Kerrick on 23 Sep 2011 08:49 AM Wordsmith: AP: Love that new weapon; I could see the folks from Shadow Earth using one. Harry: I believe someone did say that, yes. I can't believe Doc threw his old gun into the river - it helped tie him to the past, a long-forgotten relic of a better time. Still, he has been considering it for some time (and getting a lot of flak from the others), so I suppose it was about time for him to bite the bullet (no pun intended) and get an upgrade. Also, not to mention that it symbolized him wanting to move on and give up on trying to find a way back. Lost hope, past cannot be helped so lets live on with what we have. That is the message that I received out of it.

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9/24/2011 10:55 AM
@ medic15al Thanks again for sharing your expertise again Wow Doc gets rid of his old weapon, thats surprising but change is good, a new member!! that is awesome!

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9/25/2011 3:01 PM
Heres somthing interesting I found on the best 50 guns ever made by outdoor life if anyones interested: http://www.outdoorlife.co.../best-guns-ever-made Also the best sniper rifle in the world (according to this article) http://www.gizmag.com/the...-in-the-world/10447/

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9/25/2011 5:55 PM
Medic15al, If Doc's past is taken away, who is he? Ryan's social secretary? If his obsession with the past is gone, the only direct connection to the world before the whitecoats took over is lost. Even more than Mildred, he's that link. His world still had a future; hers didn't. As such he serves a vital purpose in the series. Ryan and the other born-theres don't know any better; they can't really fathom what has been lost. Doc needs his rage. Having him give up and sell out to modernity is like shooting the series in the heart. Not that I'd expect better than that from GE. They really don't have a clue. Never have had a clue, even though the faces change. And if there's a way to eff things up royal, they will surely find it. AP

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9/25/2011 7:10 PM
AP, I agree. Doc's past is who he is, and in turn gives him a hope to go on thru what life he has. He still has an icon in his LeMat, but also looks more torwards the future with the modern replica's advantages over the cap-n-ball original. I guess I am trying to say he imbraced an realism of future hope, rather than a past hope. Sory, I am not paticulary articulate tonight. Post surgery meds messing with me.

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9/25/2011 7:55 PM
Sure, but if he really wanted to "embrace the future" why is he trading .44 caliber percussion cap and ball for .44 caliber cased pistol ammo? Sure it's a technological step up (from 1860 to 1880?) but are .44 caliber cartridges going to be EASIER to find than caps and nipples? Shouldn't he be switching to the most plentiful pistol ammo of the era before Nukeday, 9mm Parabellum? If the original design function of the LeMat is no longer important, only it's external form, WTF difference does it make what he changes the caliber to--except that access to ammo is always an issue in the hellscape. The other thing is, in DL the future sucks. If it was me in charge I would spin off a new series, have Doc succeed in returning to his time and once there commit the rest of his life to making sure Nukeday never happened. This would involve assembling a team of hunters to take out scientists, inventors, corporate honchos, politicians, anyone whose enterprise could eventually lead to Armageddon. They would roam the Victorian Era like Ninja Luddites (catchy title?). Hope the surgery went well and that you're doing okay.

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9/26/2011 6:02 AM
Thank you for the well wishes on the surgery! The main thing I would see in ammo availability in Doc's LeMat would be the percussion caps. CCI and Remington are the largest supplier in the U.S. and it is at times difficult to find them. #10 and #11 size are the most common along with the musket size, and the shotgun barrel may use a different size than the nipples on the revolver. (Not real up to date on BP, haven't shot any in a while so I prob made a mistake here) And with the technology of the Deathlands, primers and percussion caps manufactoring would be difficult on a large scale until it is perfected. B/P is easily made in the deathlands and is available. The .44 magnum and .44 Special are way more common than percussion caps but I cannot recall them actually finding that specific caliber in the books. I do remember a book that he used a Webley break open revolver and was favorably impressed, but in the end he went back to the LeMat. .38 Special and .357 Magnum would be a better choice if doc wanted to stick with a revolver. I have always wondered why Ryan haven't had the group to carry at least one handgun each in 9mm caliber for ammo commonality. Ninja Luddites....... Hmmm.... Would be interesting!

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9/26/2011 9:48 AM
I think they should all just throw rocks at each other. "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch

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9/26/2011 9:49 AM
Actually, not far from reality after WWIII.

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9/26/2011 9:53 AM
I had them use slings in "Blood Harvest." Does that count? ;P

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9/26/2011 9:56 AM
Slings? C'mon Chuck, don't you think that's a little far fetched? "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch

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9/26/2011 10:13 AM
At the risk of sounding like a sassy author? Read it and you tell me.

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9/26/2011 11:38 AM
Blood Harvest is #1 on this site for a reason!

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9/26/2011 6:47 PM
I've seen people in the books use everything from spears and clubs to crossbows (made from automobile springs); the Japanese samurai even had their swords and bows. It's not nearly out of the range of credulity for someone to use a sling - it's hard as hell to learn, but you never run out of ammo for it, and making one is a snap. As for .44 ammo... I haven't seen a lot of it outside of Pollotta's books (because he usually includes a Webley), but the companions find ammo stores often enough that it shouldn't be hard to pick some up. It would certainly be more common than copper nipples; lead shot wouldn't be hard to make, and black powder is easy. Coincidentally, this is the third LeMat Doc's had now - he lost his first one (the .36 cal) crossing a river in Cold Asylum and picked up the .44, which he used until recently.

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9/30/2011 7:19 AM
Got a little quiet in here......

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9/30/2011 8:22 AM
Well I don't know what the rest of you losers are up to, but I'm hanging out in Key West this week. ;-) "Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents

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9/30/2011 8:53 AM
Key West? Well come on down to my house in the Bahamas! J/K How is the weather?

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9/30/2011 9:09 AM
The weather is gorgeous. Yesterday we were out snorkeling on the reef at Pennekamp. Saw a four foot barracuda. We're down here for the commissioning ceremony for the USS Spruance. I think Sunday we might take the cruise out to the old fort on the Dry Tortugas. "Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents

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9/30/2011 10:45 AM
I'm partial to Little Gasparilla and the barrier islands myself but it sounds awesome, Ron.

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9/30/2011 11:24 AM
Ron, Sounds like a perfect trip! Hope you enjoy!

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9/30/2011 11:51 AM
Posted By medic15al on 30 Sep 2011 07:19 AM Got a little quiet in here...... Well lets git her goin. Given the DL canon, you would have all sorts of armament. I've only written two of the books but I try to imagine it as realistically as possible. In "Blood Harvest" the Baron and his best sec men had a small assortment of pre-dark armaments. They weren't named but it is pointed out that the Portuguese CETME rifles had been crudely refinished several times and their plastic furniture had long ago been replaced by hand carved wood. The ville was producing black powder and most of the armament on the island were home-rolled single or double barreled rifles, shotguns and pistols. In the soon to be released "Hell Road Warriors" a Baron sends his son off to fight and gives him his personal Glock. The weapon had long ago lost its plastic frame a blacksmith had forged a lower grip and receiver out of iron. There would be a lot of that going on. In the same book in a trading camp there is a tent with a man hawking pre-dark weapons, next to it a woman selling homemade ones and next to them is a gunsmith who will fix both. In answer to the question about slings, yes, it takes practice to get good with one, that is pointed out, and they were used by hundreds of islanders in"volley fire" against the ville sec men. They heroic slingers are neither fast, nor particularly accurate and in practice several try to brain themselves and those around them.

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10/1/2011 12:41 PM
Posted By Sin-Eater on 26 Sep 2011 11:38 AM Blood Harvest is #1 on this site for a reason! Yeah, now that I have GA books 1-33 thats the next GA book I intend to buy, its the only book with a perfect 10.0

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10/1/2011 7:16 PM
Have any of you guys seen the movie "Sucker Punch" First this is a awesome movie, not so much for the movie, but the "Dream Sequences" They are some of the coolest dame things Ive ever seen, the first one is awesome , any whoo.. the dream sequence that has the dragon, do those guns actually exist? If you dont know what Im talking about, I can see if I can umm.. "find" that part of the movie online to show you what Im talking about.

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10/1/2011 7:18 PM
Posted By ShadowTek on 01 Oct 2011 07:16 PM Have any of you guys seen the movie "Sucker Punch" First this is a awesome movie, not so much for the movie, but the "Dream Sequences" They are some of the coolest dame things Ive ever seen, the first one is awesome , any whoo.. the dream sequence that has the dragon, do those guns actually exist? If you dont know what Im talking about, I can see if I can umm.. "find" that part of the movie online to show you what Im talking about. Im afraid I havent seen it. See if you can find a pic of it.

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10/1/2011 7:21 PM
Posted By ShadowTek on 01 Oct 2011 07:16 PM Have any of you guys seen the movie "Sucker Punch" First this is a awesome movie, not so much for the movie, but the "Dream Sequences" They are some of the coolest dame things Ive ever seen, the first one is awesome , any whoo.. the dream sequence that has the dragon, do those guns actually exist? If you dont know what Im talking about, I can see if I can umm.. "find" that part of the movie online to show you what Im talking about. ETA: Looks like an 1911 style.

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10/1/2011 7:43 PM
I'll find a clip.. stand by

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10/1/2011 7:51 PM
Heres a trailer of the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrIiYSdEe4E You can see there guns at the 2:11 mark, but its a really short clip

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10/15/2011 7:46 PM
What did Doc replace his Lamat(SP) gun with?

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10/16/2011 6:58 AM
A modern reproduction LeMat that took .44 cal cartridges and a modern shotgun shell chambering. Outwardly it looks the same.

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Posted By ShadowTek on 01 Oct 2011 07:51 PM Heres a trailer of the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrIiYSdEe4E You can see there guns at the 2:11 mark, but its a really short clip They are all listed here... http://www.imfdb.org/wiki...ker_Punch_%282011%29 Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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10/18/2011 3:04 AM
baz did you do this as its grate stuff. lots of info on all the guns in the movie. have you seen it its got some real babes in and with all the gunsa swell its a real good movie to see.

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10/18/2011 11:13 AM
Harry, Sorry but I didn't do this web page I simply entered "Weapons used in Sucker Punch" into Google and this was the first page that came up on the results. I haven't seen the film myself, not my kind of thing, so I can't comment on the "babes" one way or another. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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10/19/2011 4:38 AM
you shud see it its a real good movie with lots of action and the girls dont have a lot of clothes on wich is gud. the page with all the guns on has lots of stuff on it that i didnt now about them. thanks again for letting us now about it.

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Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 19 Oct 2011 04:38 AM you shud see it its a real good movie...the girls dont have a lot of clothes on wich is gud... Hmmm... Sadly I look for more in a movie than just how few clothes the actresses wear, besides I think I may well be old enough to be there Father =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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10/21/2011 4:21 PM
Thanks for the info on docs same but different new gun lol, well.. hard to teach old dogs new tricks I guess.. As for Suckerpunch, yup there all hot chicks.. love them all lol, but thanks for posting the guns they use.. Personally I think, beyond the hot chic thing its a really cool movie, I love movies that go out on the edge and take a chance to do what this movie did..

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11/8/2011 4:36 PM
Hi in the first few books a lady on traders team carried a double barreled 10 ga. is there such a weapon?

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11/8/2011 5:10 PM
Posted By twinsrule26 on 08 Nov 2011 04:36 PM Hi in the first few books a lady on traders team carried a double barreled 10 ga. is there such a weapon? Alot of 10 gauges are doubles. A friend of mine had single barrel break open 10 gauge, (I think it was a Harrington and Richardson) and pulling the trigger on that was a clavicle testing experience so unless she was mutant-huge it would be an odd weapon for a woman. Ithaca made a semi auto 10 gauge for the police and self-defense market with the evocative name of the "Mag-10 Roadblocker." Funny you should ask, In DL news, in the soon to be released "Hell Road Warriors" the First Nation scout who joins Ryan's convoy is named Donnie Goosekiller and he carries a bolt action 10 gauge. Most of the ten gauges I have run into, and I haven't run into many, are in that configuration. Bolt action, very long barrels, designed to throw a lot of lead very high and fast at migrating geese.

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11/9/2011 12:30 PM
Posted By Chuck on 08 Nov 2011 05:10 PM Bolt action, very long barrels, designed to throw a lot of lead very high and fast at migrating geese. Honk! honk! honk! Bam! Splat!

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11/12/2011 10:03 AM
Here's another weapon that doesn't exist: Krysty's H&K P7A-13 (she uses it in the early books). There's a P7M13, which is otherwise identical (13-round mag); I'm guessing this was an error on LJ's part instead of creative license. I wonder why she'd ditch a weapon with a 13-round capacity for one that holds 5 rounds, though... especially since the P7A was 9 mm. Oh - does anyone know what pistol she's holding on the cover of Homeward Bound? It's most certainly NOT a H&K P7.

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11/12/2011 10:08 AM
I've often wondered myself, Kerrick. The P7 is fairly heavy itself with the 8 rnd mag, so 13 rounds would be even more so. The 640 is lighter loaded than the P7 is unloaded. But still, 5 rounds .38 SPL snub for 13 9x19mm NATO?

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11/12/2011 2:37 PM
I think the reason for the change is given by JB in Dark Carnival -this is the book that most of the main characters change there weapons in (I think -I'm not near my books at the mo' to check). I think the gun Krysty is holding on the cover of Homeward bound is supposed to be a Remington XP-100 Silhouette pistol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_XP-100 Just WHY she has this is anyone's guess? Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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11/12/2011 2:43 PM
Posted By Kerrick on 12 Nov 2011 10:03 AM Here's another weapon that doesn't exist: Krysty's H&K P7A-13 (she uses it in the early books). Kerrick, The P7A-13 DOES exist http://www.gunfaqs.org/P7FAQ/I/5.htm HK P7 "A13" #VM0036. Arl. VM=Versuchsmodell means Test Model. This one is the first prototype P7 model that works. Was shipped here for US Govt inspection/testing which is how it got away from the factory. Almost all the other VMs are still at the factory. HK made 33 P7A13 guns using the same serial numbers they had used on the A10 guns, but this is the only VM they made. The link above also has a picture of it. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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11/17/2011 9:36 AM
Oh. Shows what I know. Wikipedia didn't list that model.

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11/18/2011 1:21 PM
Posted By Kerrick on 17 Nov 2011 09:36 AM Oh. Shows what I know. Wikipedia didn't list that model. Wikipedia is the largest collection of lies and mis-truths on the planet. Glad to be of help though. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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1/27/2012 10:41 PM
Great to see this thread still going strong!

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Its been quiet for two months prior to your last post though.. =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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2/20/2012 10:07 AM
Suckerpunch was alright, visually stunning but a bit like soft porn for teenagers. Good twist at the end tho.

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5/26/2012 11:22 PM
Steyr AUG, anyone?: http://the-keyzone.blogsp...rifle-steyr-aug.html If Doc were to replace his LeMat, my suggestion for a revolver would be something like this: http://www.defensivecarry...-well-scratched.html Smith and Wesson Model 57 .41 Magnum, 6 inch. If it was good enough for Edward Abbey, it would be just fine for Doc.

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5/27/2012 1:34 AM
.41 caliber? Where the hell is he going to find bullets? Does it fire .44s?

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5/27/2012 4:07 PM
The .41 and .40 magnums are gaining in popularity....being seen as having more power than the .357, but offering more control than the .44.

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5/27/2012 4:12 PM
Mildred's gun is NOT like that revolver posted among the photos on the first page of this thread. Her ZKR 551 is a target competition gun like the ones on this page: http://www.mycity-militar...-pistolja.html

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5/28/2012 1:23 AM
More to the point, that pic of the revolver is wrong. This one is an actual ZKR 551: http://gunstribune.com/ha...ech-republic/zkr-551

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5/28/2012 4:57 PM
Honestly the Taurus 410 was invented 10 years ago, someone should be finding one of those in a redoubt by now. It put's most of their hand guns to shame as far as stopping power.

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5/28/2012 7:08 PM
Posted By SP on 28 May 2012 04:57 PM Honestly the Taurus 410 was invented 10 years ago, someone should be finding one of those in a redoubt by now. It put's most of their hand guns to shame as far as stopping power. The "modern" world of Deathlands ended in 2001 -a year before the Taurus was introduced! Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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5/28/2012 7:22 PM
That hasn't stopped them from finding things that have been being used in current time's yet. I could name tons of examples, but it's a mute point. Until I see a mutie hippo that bleeds yellow and can regenerate it's own head I'm gonna cry fowl on your statement sir.

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5/28/2012 7:29 PM
Posted By Kerrick on 28 May 2012 01:23 AM More to the point, that pic of the revolver is wrong. This one is an actual ZKR 551: http://gunstribune.com/ha...ech-republic/zkr-551 Sorry to tell you but... Time Nomads page 8... "...Thats a pretty pistol you got there Mildred..." "Its a ZKR 551, Reverend. Six shot blaster, chambered to take a standard S&W .38." For further proof check out the name on the barrel of this ZKR 551 http://www.flickr.com/pho...t-72157622544511469/ Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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5/30/2012 12:45 AM
That's the same weapon I posted. What's your point? I was saying that the one posted on Page 1 isn't a ZKR.

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Posted By Kerrick on 30 May 2012 12:45 AM That's the same weapon I posted. What's your point? I was saying that the one posted on Page 1 isn't a ZKR. My point is I f#@ked up and linked your post to my reply and not the one from Jake corbett!!! His post linked to some Polish site that had a picture of some zip gun like thing that was supposed to be a match quality ZKR. Again in was in a hurry, clicked the wrong message and put my foot in my mouth! Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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5/30/2012 3:44 PM
Hahaha sorry. I guess we both ended up looking stupid.

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Posted By Kerrick on 30 May 2012 03:44 PM Hahaha sorry. I guess we both ended up looking stupid. No, only me... Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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5/30/2012 6:28 PM
SP, I'd be interested in reading about a couple of those tons of examples.

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Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 30 May 2012 06:28 PM SP, I'd be interested in reading about a couple of those tons of examples. Yes and when I get around to reading some of the examples AGAIN, I will be sure to quote them. The facts are some of the material items were used and abused for the first times way after 2001, I didn't just say this to start a shitfest, I actually remember thinking it while I happened to be reading the next novel. So your tons of examples are going to be when I get around to it. Allthough I am reading Desert Kings right now and things are coming back to me... H&K needlers? 2 mm? wtf is that about? Is this a fiction book or an autobiography?

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Posted By SP on 31 May 2012 01:21 AM Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 30 May 2012 06:28 PM SP, I'd be interested in reading about a couple of those tons of examples. Yes and when I get around to reading some of the examples AGAIN, I will be sure to quote them. The facts are some of the material items were used and abused for the first times way after 2001, I didn't just say this to start a shitfest, I actually remember thinking it while I happened to be reading the next novel. So your tons of examples are going to be when I get around to it. Allthough I am reading Desert Kings right now and things are coming back to me... H&K needlers? 2 mm? wtf is that about? Is this a fiction book or an autobiography? "I have a ton of examples!" "such as?" "well... I have to reread some books...when I get around to it"

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Hey folks, it would be particularly awesome if we didn't bicker or fight today. I've got a heck of a lot going on and don't really have time to moderate. Let's not go there. "Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents

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Posted By Ron Miles on 31 May 2012 12:04 PM Hey folks, it would be particularly awesome if we didn't bicker or fight today. I've got a heck of a lot going on and don't really have time to moderate. Let's not go there. My apologies if I came off as an asshat. It wasn't my intention.

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SP, my job is to find those things and research them. I was merely curious as to what I had missed so that I could make sure the error wouldn't happen in future books. I don't understand your reaction. Ron, that's all I'll say on the topic.

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Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 31 May 2012 03:12 PM SP, my job is to find those things and research them. I was merely curious as to what I had missed so that I could make sure the error wouldn't happen in future books. I don't understand your reaction. Ron, that's all I'll say on the topic. I apologize, I just recently looked at the post today after the last comment and could see how it looks hostile.Sometimes when I'm thinking of something to post it doesn't convey to the internet the way it was intended. When I come to another fubar in the books I will let you know.

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4/7/2013 3:02 PM
Hello everybody! Checking in as it has been a while. Still current on the books. Seems the last book or so Doc's LeMat has not been described as a cartridge replica as he acquired in Prodigals Return, leading to believe it is back to percussion Cap-n-Ball Black Powder again.

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4/7/2013 3:22 PM
Welcome back, where have you been hiding?

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Posted By silentalbino on 4/7/2013 3:22:32 PM Welcome back, where have you been hiding? Oh, just life in general being hectic. Went thru a patch of some bug that had me in serious blahs for a while.

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4/13/2013 3:20 PM
Anyone know what Krysty is using on the cover of Nemesis? I want to say Mini-14, but I'm not that knowledgeable about guns.

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4/13/2013 5:04 PM
Looks like a Loose copy of an H&K G-36 but with an AR-15/M-16 mag which isn't used in that model. Close as I can tell.

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It looks sort of like an M8A1 from call of duty black ops 2 http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/M8A1 Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 4/14/2013 7:22:11 AM It looks sort of like an M8A1 from call of duty black ops 2 http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/M8A1 Jim Yes I agree now after looking there. It is an XM-8 By H&K. I don't believe any were adopted by the US outside of evaluation pieces.

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4/14/2013 9:15 AM
The XM8 began development in 2002 and was cancelled at the end of 2005 so would never have existed in the DL world even as a prototype! Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

Kerrick

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4/14/2013 10:01 PM
I thought it looked familiar... the top rail is slightly different than the XM-8, so I wasn't sure. I checked Wikipedia; it looks like an model: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ombat_Weapon_program The XM-8 was developed in the mid-90s, so it's possible (though highly unlikely) she could've had one.

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4/15/2013 6:27 AM
Although in development from the late 1990's the first XM8 prototypes didn't get released until 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8_rifle so there is no chance of her having one1 Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

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4/15/2013 6:29 AM
Then again, as our world didn't go up in 2001 who is to say that the XM8 didn't get developed earlier in the casement world that is DL? Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

silentalbino

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4/15/2013 8:50 AM
Because the so called Cold War was still on-going into the new millennium who knows what weapon's would have been developed. In a Universe where Matt Trans, Cyborg's and Laser Guided Flying Fish are possible I think we can let them away with this.

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4/15/2013 10:37 AM
I believe they also developed a method to sharpen Mango's Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

Kerrick

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4/19/2013 8:19 PM
It's really a moot point, since that weapon didn't appear in the book at all, let alone in Krysty's hands OR in that scene. I love Seeley's work, but he's taking liberties...

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4/20/2013 4:36 AM
It is, its another inatance of the staff at GE not giving a toss. if they had laid down the law to the artistz way back when about what could and couldnt appear on the covers -like no guns or tech developed after 2000, it would have solved the problem. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods. Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing. Please check out my FLICKR photos

medic15al

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9/1/2014 12:35 PM
I would like to see when the group finds a well stocked redoubt have JB Dix issue each of the companions a common weapon that are the same caliber and make, perhaps as a small pistol for ammo commonality when scrounging gets tight. Such as a Glock 26 in 9mm, a subcompact pistol than can take its own 10 rnd mag or the Glock 19's 15 rnd mag, the 17 rnd Glock 17 mag, and even the 33 rnd G-18 mag. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/mcavana/DSC01825.jpg Here is a G-26 compared to a S&W J-frame that Krysty carries. (Blued instead of her stainless) This way each person can keep his individual choice of arms and calibers, but can have ammo when pickings are slim at times.

twinsrule26

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9/1/2014 1:51 PM
I agree with you completely they all need a hide out gun and having them all in the same cal. makes good sense .Now for the hard part getting GE to change the Deathlands author's bible to include them on the characters basic equipment list.

medic15al

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9/1/2014 1:59 PM
True... These are just rabbling of a ...Ahem...Firearms and shooting enthusiast.... I am 44 years old and started reading in 1993 Crater Lake copy I found laying around the ambulance station, and was hooked! I have a copy of every book... Last 10 on kindle but ordering paper copies as well. I know it was intended as a adolescent level... what can I say... I relate to Mildred as a paramedic, and JB as a shooter and firearms enthusiast.

Powderman

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9/15/2014 1:59 AM
medic15al--same here, although I'm hooked on the audiobooks. Here's one of the few gripes I have about the series...In the beginning, Krysty was carrying a HK P7, a really versatile and well made 9mm handgun. Quick to load, easy to use and accurate. Then, JB switched here to the S&W 640, in .38 Special. Why, I wonder? I see just a bit of the old bromide, "Aw, she's a woman, give her a .38 revolver." I have very few other gripes about the series--I must say that my favorite sound effects are when someone pops off an implode grenade. Yeah, baby--it REALLY does suck!!! :-)

silentalbino

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9/17/2014 9:05 AM
Anybody have a clue what "rats" are?? Shaking Earth P231 "He leaned into the wag, grabbed out his steyr and a pack with rats, extra mags and some grens stuffed into it" He has mentioned at least once before in the same book and for the life of me I haven't a clue as to what he is talking about.

The Phantom

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9/17/2014 12:06 PM
It is either rations, or maybe some rodents. Ryan might like little fury companions to keep him company, lol.

medic15al

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9/17/2014 12:09 PM
Yep.. Slang for Rations..

silentalbino

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9/17/2014 12:10 PM
Rations sounds likely. But actual rats sounds more fun. Cheers.

medic15al

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12/1/2014 11:33 PM
Just saying hello and keeping the discussion on!

medic15al

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1/9/2019 4:33 PM
Hello everybody! Just checking in and still missing Deathlands!!

Powderman

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1/14/2019 11:44 AM
Sadly, the print options are gone...but have you tried the audiobooks?

medic15al

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1/14/2019 11:51 AM
Unable to. I am legally deaf but can function normally with hearing aids. However listening from an electronic device is wonky in my ears. I have to read or otherwise use captioning to understand what is said. Can hear it but not understand it.

medic15al

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1/14/2019 11:51 AM
Unable to. I am legally deaf but can function normally with hearing aids. However listening from an electronic device is wonky in my ears. I have to read or otherwise use captioning to understand what is said. Can hear it but not understand it.

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