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Why do the female companions not carry blades?
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6/22/2012 5:29 PM

    Seriously?

    Ryan,JB, Doc and Jak all have to resort to blades throughout the series and Mildred and Krysty are left with unarmed combat. Why? It makes zero sense for them not to have a blade in the Deathlands like the male companions.

     

    I think it would be within the realm of possibility for someone at sometime to include them in a novel.

    My opinion would be Mildred picking up a switchblade or butterfly knife somewhere and Krysty finding a Small military hatchet of somesort, allthough I would like to see her weilding a full on battle axe but that wouldn't be feesible to carry around.

     

    Just curious why they never received a secondary weapon?

     

     

     

     

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    6/22/2012 10:28 PM
    What about a Balisong knife for Mildred and an entrenching tool for Krysty.
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    6/23/2012 12:55 AM
    Posted By silentalbino on 22 Jun 2012 10:28 PM
    What about a Balisong knife for Mildred and an entrenching tool for Krysty.

    what about a dart gun and a tazer then...

     

    No man I'm serious. Give them battlebroads some blades.

     

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    6/23/2012 2:53 AM

    I mentioned in "Blood Harvest" that Mildred thought about going for her knife but the giant mutant of the night confronting her had a whaling "head spade" in hand and she decided to try and jump out of the tree instead.

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    6/23/2012 5:59 PM
    That's a good question. I'd expect Mildred to have (and wield) a scalpel; as for Krysty, I'd say a bowie knife. A hachet sounds kinda cool, though.
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    6/23/2012 6:33 PM

    The original author, Lawrence James, had Krysty with a knife. Like Ryan, she had a back-up blade, along with her pistol.

     

    Still, with all the greatness that author penned, along with other authors since, only true greatness shows when very intelligent authors give her and Mildred automatic rifles, and Ryan an automatic blaster like his once awesome weapon, the G-3.

     

    Hell, in a world such as DL, they all should be carrying fully automatic weapons. A .38 revolver and a long gun won't win in a true firefight, open combat, or close combat. Which is the most type the companions run into.

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    6/23/2012 7:09 PM
    Posted By Kerrick on 23 Jun 2012 05:59 PM
    That's a good question. I'd expect Mildred to have (and wield) a scalpel; as for Krysty, I'd say a bowie knife. A hachet sounds kinda cool, though.

    You see, Mildred's temper at certain things and between the dreads and her being from this century anyway's I could really see her packing a switchblade and knowing how to use it, even a 'pig-sticker' or stiletto would be something easily pocketed.

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    6/23/2012 9:52 PM
    Big sword's would be too bulky and heavy for the companions to carry.
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    6/26/2012 11:50 AM
    Yes. Krysty did carry a knife, just like Ryan & Co. back in the LJ days.

    I'm not getting into yet another "the crew should carry this gun 'cos its boss..." thread, just look back here for dozens of them. Its old hat -just like J.B's and won't do a jot for improving the story's other than to give some gun freak something new to stroke his own "pea shooter" over!!!

    Guns, knives etc. are just props to move the story along. If the writer wants Krysty or Mildred to use a knife they can simply type "...Mildred reached for the wankum blade she spotted on the floor and..." Done, no need for pages of prose explaining how she got it.

    Ryan's original rifle was the none existant G-12 not the G-3, before that I think he used a LAPA?

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    6/26/2012 12:32 PM
    A Samurai Sword from the Japanese ninja's maybe but like jim said it's not a big deal.
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    6/26/2012 1:27 PM

    Never said it was a big deal, I also clearly stated in my first post that anything huge wouldn't be feesible to carry around.

    It was a simple question about "lack of" not "need a new one"

     

    This is not a gun thread.

     

     

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    6/26/2012 9:38 PM
    Wasnae having a go lad,so chill. I made a suggestion of a Balisong knife and you ridiculed it and then suggested an even smaller knife.
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    6/26/2012 10:36 PM

    lad?

     

    Anyway's, It was a simple question. If no-one want's to post about what they think then neat I guess. If it's been done a 1000 times then O.K. I put a search in before it was posted into a topic and believe it or not I can't make head's or tales out of the search engine around here, needless to say, nothing came up.

    No need for me to "chill"

     

    SPOILERS!!!!-for Vengeance Trail

    Finished Vengeance trail yesterday, very good book overall. Can't seem to find that topic either. So I'll give my review here.

    I give it a 9. -1 point for the hysterical Ewoks. (But also entertaining). When Ryan flew across the canyon and bum rushed the train I was really ready for some B.O.C to start playing and Don't fear the reaper to start reverbating through his motorcycle.

    The fact that it was a very "busy" book was nice. All the companions were doing their own thing. Most are seperated. And the premise of JB being so into the weapons and wag put him totally off character for people who in everyone's mind murdered his best friend, as they should of been more prepared to escape. That was also a reason for a point loss. Another gleaming example of the author not knowing the character's. Allthough this book was one of Victor Milan's best IMHO.

    After reading Palaces Of Light, this was an action to action book.

     

     

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    6/26/2012 11:02 PM
    There is kind off an unwritten rule here that to talk about the Gun's and Equipment used by the "Hero's" is oh so yesterday. I personally don't feel that way about it, but i've only been a Member for about a year or so, where as a lot of the member's here have been about since John Lennon was still alive(Joke) and therefore this has been discussed this to death.
    "Lad" is a colloquialism from around my area(UK) and is meant as a friendly jibe not as a reference to your age, as i'm guessing your older than me.I'm 29.
    I said "Chill" because your "text" seemed to me to be slightly irrated by my "text" and this was not my intention.
    I come here to have a bit of banter but it all was seems to revert to snarky responces.
    So all water under the bridge, mate.
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    6/26/2012 11:15 PM
    Posted By silentalbino on 26 Jun 2012 11:02 PM
    There is kind off an unwritten rule here that to talk about the Gun's and Equipment used by the "Hero's" is oh so yesterday. I personally don't feel that way about it, but i've only been a Member for about a year or so, where as a lot of the member's here have been about since John Lennon was still alive(Joke) and therefore this has been discussed this to death.
    "Lad" is a colloquialism from around my area(UK) and is meant as a friendly jibe not as a reference to your age, as i'm guessing your older than me.I'm 29.
    I said "Chill" because your "text" seemed to me to be slightly irrated by my "text" and this was not my intention.
    I come here to have a bit of banter but it all was seems to revert to snarky responces.
    So all water under the bridge, mate.

    This is exactly as it seems to me. I would think that banter among people would be fine considering the source topic. I also don't comprehend the term 'would be so boss' I've played a lot of Borderlands also so I am assuming it meant superior? Also I am 40.

    Hope that helps.

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    6/26/2012 11:20 PM
    "Boss" is Scouse for good. Jim aka Baz Baziah is from Liverpool and people from there are known as Scouser's. Lost in translation eh? ha ha
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    6/27/2012 12:01 AM

    It still amazes me that so many people are from the UK, when the DL books are based in the U.S. Although so was LJ (From the UK that is)

    Kind of cool to ponder.

     

     

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    6/27/2012 12:01 AM
    Maybe the limey's need to explain their language to these americans...?
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    6/27/2012 12:03 AM
    And yes, Vengeance Trail rocked hard! Truly Vic Milan at his best!

    That's why these last 2 fell short for me. His writing style doesn't seem to match those earlier books.

    I'd still take a Milan book over a Pollatta or Boot book any day of the week!
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    6/27/2012 7:34 PM
    I believe that at one point in the series Kristy had a boot knife but that was years ago in our time.

    I think that both of them having knives would be a no brainer as knives are one of the most versitile survivor tools out there . Even if the writers don't go into vast discriptions of their weapons. I feel we as readers should just assume that they do carry some kind of blade ,and when a writer needs to have one of them using a blade then we will read about it .
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    6/29/2012 6:08 PM
    Posted By silentalbino on 26 Jun 2012 11:20 PM
    "Boss" is Scouse for good. Jim aka Baz Baziah is from Liverpool and people from there are known as Scouser's. Lost in translation eh? ha ha

    "Boss" in Liverpool has several uses amongst the "hooded back ninja" youth of Liverpool...

    #1 "It's boss..."

    It's good or really good, a lot like being "the dogs bollocks!"

    #2 "OK Boss..."

    Used when the ninja low life are talking to anyone in authority such as the Police.

    Oh, and I am not being racist when talking of the "hooded black ninja's" they are called that because most of the low life's wear all black "North Face" gear with hoods a must. The bigger the hood the better...

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    6/29/2012 6:12 PM
    Posted By SP on 27 Jun 2012 12:01 AM

    It still amazes me that so many people are from the UK...


    Yes, there are about 62.3 million of us in the UK

    No seriously, I am suprised myself as the books are not readily available here in the UK. I think some Forbidden Planet stores stock them -but not all, and not all the books either!!

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    6/29/2012 10:15 PM
    To be fair there is only me and Baz and another guy who has'nt posted in age's. Can you buy Dl's and OL's in big Book Store's in the US. Forgive me if i've asked this before.
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    6/30/2012 2:26 AM
    Posted By silentalbino on 29 Jun 2012 10:15 PM
    To be fair there is only me and Baz and another guy who has'nt posted in age's. Can you buy Dl's and OL's in big Book Store's in the US. Forgive me if i've asked this before.

    Why yes! Usually there is also a blaster included in every book, while you Brit's get the wheel of missfortune scrath off card in the middle. Every once in a while there is a redoubt code included, but that involves chewing on the back cover until the skydark God's burn this into our retina, with thinly veiled poison. So it is not advisable.

    We American chaps get all the pluses!

     Actually No, now that every major new bookstore around here is closed. I usually see if the local K-mart has the newest novel, if not I just order online.

     

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    6/30/2012 4:43 PM

    I see mainly all DL for sale in my Barnes & Noble. Never Outlanders.

     

    I have a used book store with all the DL's and OL books for sale.

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    7/1/2012 3:32 AM

    Every Barnes and Noble, Mr. Paperback and Borders bookstore closed within 100 miles from me, (No shit!) and so now I feel it's just easier to buy them online.

     

    The bookstores as we all knew them in America are slowly going bye-bye. And it's a shame.

     

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    7/1/2012 11:25 AM
    Its the same here in England. I think the problem is that book stores are selling books cheaper on line than what they appear in the stores.

    Example, I went into our local Waterstone's book store and saw a book I wanted on sale for £8.99, I came home went onto the waterstone's web site and found the same book for £4.50! I ordered it and went for the free pick up from local store option. Went in the following day to pick it up and the staff member walked over to the shelf and picked up the very same book I had looked at and bagged it up.

    People are stopping going to book stores (and all other main stream ones as well) as they can get a better deal on line than they can in store -even in most cases with P&P added. Stores need to start matching prices across the board, you pay the same on line as in store, this might get folk back into stores and MAYBE keep 'em open.

    I think another big reason is the cost to keep the store open, in these days of saving and cost cutting closing several £250k a month (rent) stores goes a long way to making those all important savings. We the customer count for squat all in these situations.

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    7/6/2012 12:28 AM
    Posted By twinsrule26 on 27 Jun 2012 07:34 PM

      
    I think that both of them having knives would be a no brainer as knives are one of the most versitile survivor tools out there . Even if the writers don't go into vast discriptions of their weapons. I feel we as readers should just assume that they do carry some kind of blade ,and when a writer needs to have one of them using a blade then we will read about it .

    Funny enough you bring this up, as I am currently reading "Remember Tomorrow". I have not read this yet  so this is new 'evidence' that they carry nothing significant, other then I remember reading countless times that they don't.

    Page 35 "Behind him, Doc had his sword blade ready, and JB --Despite his unsteadiness--had unsheathed his tekna knife. The only blasters were those held by Krysty and Mildred, who didn't carry blades."

    Page38 "Which left Mildred and Krysty to pick their targets with care. The men had tried to protect the two women, as they had no blades."

     

    I'm actually thinking that Mr. Boot was trying to get the point across.

    Hopefully an author will give then some good blades, and everyone else who pens a novel will include something so painstakingly obvious that they should be carrying anyway's will be included.

     

    I'm thinking Mr. Chuck? Hey he gave them new blasters! C'mon Mr. Chuck, give Mildred a switchblade...

     

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    7/6/2012 12:54 AM

    SP, unfortunately you are reading another crappy Boot book.

     

    Boy, do you have MUCH better DL's to look forward to! 

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    7/6/2012 1:29 AM
    Posted By Maximus on 06 Jul 2012 12:54 AM

    SP, unfortunately you are reading another crappy Boot book.

     

    Boy, do you have MUCH better DL's to look forward to! 

    To be honest, I am enjoying it so far. I'm reading whatever comes my way in amazon and e-bay shipments. As some of them I haven't read before, most I have. All out of order.  I have to say though, I just read Thunder Road yesterday and I absolutely loved it.

    See, Andy Boot has some good stuff.

     

     

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    7/6/2012 3:46 PM

    Yes, I agree with you there! Thunder Road was very good. As was his Lost Gates, despite the action sequences being 'meh'.

    But then he gives us the Palaces of Light....

     

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    7/6/2012 10:14 PM

    Well, I finished it today. And allthough the action sequences are rather "meh" as are a lot of his books, it was very nice to see JB in his own element and make other friends. Not to mention he boinked another woman!-lol

    I would of been happier if Mildred bought the farm though and they ended up taking Ella-Mae with them.

    The whole inbred idiots thing with Ryan not to be able to mastermind some sort of escape was pretty lame, especially since they retained their blasters for most of the book and only had 5 of them in the wag with them while they went to Druma. It should of been plenty easy for them to chill the lot in the wag and surrender to tell the story to get Xander to mop up the ville and get Krysty and Doc back. After all these people were practically brain dead. And two got chilled in the fight! So 3 on three!

    And yes I really hate Mildred...

    I think it would have been cool for them to have the other woman in their group as a mechanic.

     

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    7/6/2012 11:01 PM
    I don't recall the part where J.B. boinked another woman.
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    7/7/2012 12:08 AM
    Posted By Wordsmith-reprise on 06 Jul 2012 11:01 PM
    I don't recall the part where J.B. boinked another woman.

    Page 213 and 214. Boinkage...

     

     

     

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    7/7/2012 2:45 PM

    See, there neeedss to be more sex in these books, just like it used to be.

     

    And not for the sake to be my masturbate material...

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    7/14/2012 6:48 PM
    Posted By Maximus on 07 Jul 2012 02:45 PM

    See, there neeedss to be more sex in these books, just like it used to be.

     

    And not for the sake to be my masturbate material...

     

    I could have lived forever without knowing this me-thinks.


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    7/21/2012 5:01 AM
    In Keepers of the Sun, Ryan actually thought of taking it with him, but decided against it and left it with the body of Mashashige. I believe the main reason Mildred doesn't use knives is the same as why she doesn't use a larger pistol. Her hands are the tools of her trade. She's a healer. Granted, she kills with the best of them, but desensitizing her hands isn't something she relishes.
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    8/31/2012 8:50 PM
    Personally, it seems rather obvious that in the DL everyone would carry blades--one of the main tools of humanity afterall--though some might not go for 'battle' blades but just carry the small utility ones. Not a good idea, as you run out of bullets at some point, but maybe another form of weapon might be preferred for the reach out and touch someone moments. Like a baseball bat or a baton.

    I think the ladies would take delight in something like Condor Tool and Knife's golok or a Cold Steel kukri--combining a heavy use tool and a hard use weapon, but dropping the weight down from something heavier like say an ax or sword or something. With having to travel by foot most of the time, combining tool and weapon would be wisest.

    Of course, just my thought, but I don't think these ladies would really limit their fighting abilities by not carrying some form of weapon other than what runs on bullets--the DL is really unforgiving to females and surviors would be hard, no stand behind the males types because the males would need all the extra fighters they could get.

    Stuff like that is fun for plot and male reader ego, but no way would work in a real DL.

    But I'm a lady so I'm looking at it from a female slant. My own DL style pack runs three blades--a small utility, good chopper, and a golok. Takes care of chores and chaos. Of course, there is something to be said for a well applied baseball bat.

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    9/4/2012 7:38 PM

    In the series, we see them carry knives off and on--an absence is usually plot needed but it could also be one of those not mentioned but reader assumes they carry.  Like socks or firestarters or gun cleaning supplies, maybe?

    Today I am rereading Moonfeast and actually came across a passage where Krysty is mentioned with a blade on page 20:  "A canvas gunbelt was slung low across her hips, a S & W .38 revolver holstered in the front for easy access.  A knife was strapped to one of her shapely thighs."

     

     

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    9/5/2012 6:49 PM
    Ah Moonfeast, flesh eating Rhino's. What a book. I quite liked the "screamers".
    P.s it's nice to a Lady other than the lovely Wordsmith on the Forum's.
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    10/21/2012 3:08 AM
    Thanks, silentablino.

    Just crossed another reference, got Pilgrimage to Hell--finally able to snag a copy!--p.322 Krysty is noted as carrying: "Whe was wearing pale green overalls, with a bandolier of ammunition for her pistol that was crossed over with a broad leather belt that carried three leaf-bladed throwing knives. A larger knife hung on her right hip with a counter-draw holster for the automatic on the left side of the belt."



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