skullspliter New Member Posts:63  
| 4/25/2009 4:13 AM |
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OK been thinking(day dreaming  ) And it seams Magus is well a main bad guy still running around, yeah they messed up his plans. But do you all think we may see him in the near future.? They blasted Delphi and is gone. So its just him now. |
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APPublished Author  Veteran Member Posts:346 
| 4/25/2009 10:58 AM |
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One of the cool things about Magus is that he may be as old as Nukeday itself. In that regard he links DL's past, present, and future. He is privvy to things that no one else knows, dark and unimaginably powerful things (as in the dictionary definition of his name: Sorcerer). I like the idea that he was LJ's creation, too. I don't remember if any of the other post-LJ authors besides me have written about him (I've included him in three books, I think.)
I hope he remains unkillable and mysterious for the life of the series, and that when the other writers use him they do it wisely.
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mikeclr Basic Member Posts:197 
| 4/25/2009 12:39 PM |
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I agree. The Companions need an ominous omnipresent foe that lurks in the background and Magus fits the bill perfectly.
"Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch
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dean_cawdor1977New Member Posts:29 
| 4/25/2009 7:46 PM |
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I agree that Magus is a great foe and should stick around for a couple more books.... but after reading Dark Resurrection I believe we have a much Bigger.. Stronger.. and Evil foe to look forward to in future books. So keep Magus for now but I for one am looking forward to the next apperance from the Lords of Death!!!  |
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JettaManDanBasic Member Posts:252 
| 4/27/2009 10:30 AM |
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i liked Magnus as well....a few more battles with him would be cool...
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 4/27/2009 10:55 AM |
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Thats true maybe a couple books with them chasing him around the county. Or that group with the star and circle comes in to play
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| 4/27/2009 11:20 AM |
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I thought it would be cool to connect Magnus with Colonel Thrush particularly after the time-travel aspect of Magnus was introduced.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/27/2009 11:49 AM |
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Posted By Raboy on 27 Apr 2009 11:20 AM
I thought it would be cool to connect Magnus with Colonel Thrush particularly after the time-travel aspect of Magnus was introduced. Actually, the "time-travel aspect" of Magus, introduced in Damnation Road Show isn't a confirmed fact. The information in DRS came from the point of view of a secondary character with no firsthand knowledge of Magus's time-traveling--he was just repeating a widely circulating myth, one of many swirling around the mysterious Puppetmaster. I went into some detail about the construction of this and similar Magus-legends in Apocalypse Unborn. Raboy, the problem I see with making too much clear--in this case connecting the two cyborgs from the DL/OL series--is that it can eliminate suspense. IMHO, what we don't know about Magus makes him scarier. |
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dean_cawdor1977New Member Posts:29
| 4/28/2009 12:43 AM |
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I think there needs to be another Duology that is centered around Magus.. possibly a kidnapping of one of the gang, maybe Jak because of his hair, that way we may learn a lil more about Magus from a factual point of view.. maybe confirm or bust some of these myths that swirl around him.. i personaly like reading series books (ologies) in deathlands if given the choice... makes you look forward to the next release just that much more.. especially if the gang ends one of the books with doom n gloom hanging over their heads.. all in all every book is great..
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JettaManDanBasic Member Posts:252
| 4/28/2009 8:24 AM |
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cool idea.....a little more intrigue....i dislike cliff hangers just because it takes so long to get the next book and find out what happens! :-)
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 4/28/2009 8:40 AM |
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But thats half the fun and the other half is not having finger nails. |
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060 
| 4/29/2009 1:41 PM |
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Posted By AP on 25 Apr 2009 10:58 AM
One of the cool things about Magus is that he may be as old as Nukeday itself. In that regard he links DL's past, present, and future. He is privvy to things that no one else knows, dark and unimaginably powerful things (as in the dictionary definition of his name: Sorcerer). I like the idea that he was LJ's creation, too.
Alan, I'm not sure if Magus was an idea of LJ's or JackA's (not to confuse JA with the James Axler house name here). Magus first gets a mention in PTH around page 99 where he is credited with the introduction of stickies into the Deathlands: "...The strange and sinister being who sometimes called himself the Warlock, sometimes the Sorcerer, sometimes the Magus, who made fleeting visits to the Deathlands..." "...The long armed man was afraid of the Warlock, with his terrifying half face and his steel eye..." "...It was the Warlock who had let loose the stickies, maybe three, four winters back..." Page 99 is before the point where LJ took over the book (I believe). I can't remember in which book the Magus is noted as being thought able to travel through time, but this has to be LJ's addition to the legend. Magus is one of my favorite DL villains, a close second to Strasser. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/29/2009 11:42 PM |
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Jim,
In how many of LJ's books did Magus appear? When I was doing research for Damnation Road Show seems to me I could only find one besides PTH--Eclipse at Noon. I can't check to see what was in it because I gave it away to Books for Troops.
I'm not certain, but I think I may be to blame for introducing the idea that Magus might be able to time-travel--I didn't mean for readers to take it seriously because like I said, I presented the information through a third party who was just recalling what he'd heard or guessed, not what he'd actually seen.
Apocalypse Unborn revealed the hellscape PR man/ professional liar working fulltime on sculpting Magus's mythos, sowing confusion and fear throughout the hellscape. I included a long list of lies that the PR man had authored and spread, including time-traveling. |
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 4/30/2009 7:30 AM |
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Shame on you AP  . I don't have the book in front of me but didn't Magus say the the lies weren't even close to the Truth or were nothing compared to it?? ether way i think we all can say he has been around before skydark. |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269 
| 4/30/2009 8:59 AM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 29 Apr 2009 01:41 PM
"...It was the Warlock who had let loose the stickies, maybe three, four winters back..."
Way back last century when there were (largely misspelled) howls of outrage that I had trifled with the Holy Writ when I introduced the concept that the stickies were genetically engineered in Stoneface, I cited that line from Pilgrimage as at least suggesting the possibility. I'm pretty sure the character of Warlock was created by Chris Lowder (AKA Jack Adrian), but LJ changed his name to Magus...since there was a Magus character running around in his short-lived "Rack" series. Even if a tenuous connection was established between Warlock/Magus and Colonel Thrush, it would have been a nice bit of symmetry. |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/30/2009 9:44 AM |
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Posted By Jax2 on 30 Apr 2009 08:59 AM
Posted By )3az )3aziah on 29 Apr 2009 01:41 PM
"...It was the Warlock who had let loose the stickies, maybe three, four winters back..."
Way back last century when there were (largely misspelled) howls of outrage that I had trifled with the Holy Writ when I introduced the concept that the stickies were genetically engineered in Stoneface, I cited that line from Pilgrimage as at least suggesting the possibility.
I'm pretty sure the character of Warlock was created by Chris Lowder (AKA Jack Adrian), but LJ changed his name to Magus...since there was a Magus character running around in his short-lived "Rack" series.
Even if a tenuous connection was established between Warlock/Magus and Colonel Thrush, it would have been a nice bit of symmetry. Interesting that LJ reanimated the name--he must've gone back in the manuscript and added it to Lowder's page 99 or whatever. I'm waiting on Jim's opinion as to the actual amount of space given to Magus by LJ. Or maybe Chris knows? As I remember (faintly) from PTH, what Jim quoted from the book was pretty much all there was in it. A name and a tag line, essentially. The way I chose to handle Magus, never having him consider the details of his origins from his own point of view, only having other people talk and think about them(and not in front of him), I was trying to leave open as many possibilities as I could--including I think, Magus/Thrush. My favorite "lie" from Apocalypse Unborn was that Magus had originally been the 43rd--and last--President of the United States.  |
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| 4/30/2009 12:47 PM |
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Posted By AP on 30 Apr 2009 09:44 AM
My favorite "lie" from Apocalypse Unborn was that Magus had originally been the 43rd--and last--President of the United States.
Maybe its not a lie--in Stoneface, 'cyborgnized' survivors of the last administration lived in the Anthill complex inside of Mt. Rushmore--maybe Magus/Warlock came from there...and since Colonel Thrush was deeply involved in all the events that led up to the nukecaust maybe they really are one in the same!  |
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 4/30/2009 2:04 PM |
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=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
Please check out my FLICKR photos
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OutlandersVeteran Member Posts:163 
| 4/30/2009 2:06 PM |
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Alan -
Sorry dude, I don't have a clue about that.
Chris
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
| 4/30/2009 8:12 PM |
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Not having read any book with the Magus, there does seem to be an intriguing link between that character and Mark's Colonel Thrush.
Mark established in several books that versions of Thrush existed in all times and even in all parallel casements.
In Outer Darkness, Kane, Grant and Brigid see a huge chamber filled with Thrush cyborg bodies which can be animated by the Thrush consciousness.
Is it possible that Warlock/Magus was one of the Thrush bodies that was damaged?
"It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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BKSFLDR8RMANNew Member Posts:43 
| 4/30/2009 8:23 PM |
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Just read Eclipse at noon with Gert and the Magus in it.Gert died in the end of that book.The Magus vanished close to the end.But he diden't time travel he went and hid from the stickies.But he does sound like Col Thrush
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Ron MilesWebsite Owner  Commander In Chief Posts:864 
| 5/1/2009 8:00 AM |
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To my recollection, Eclipse at Noon was the first time that Magus actually appeared as a character in the series. He had been mentioned in passing several times before, but only as tall tales and myths.
"Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 5/4/2009 10:14 AM |
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As Ron states Eclipse at noon was the first (and only) LJ book to feature the Magus as a main character. He was mentioned several times in other books but I can't recall which ones or what was said.
As for LJ changing what JackA had written in PTH that too is unknown as it was a subject that never occured to me to ask about.
I feel the need to read all of LJ's books once more and I will post what I find here. I may actually start taking notes from each of them and see if I can make a more indepth guide to the books. This will all depend on just how much time I get outside of work and family.
Jim
=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 5/4/2009 10:35 AM |
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)3az )3aziah Good luck with the outline . Should be full of info can't what.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 5/4/2009 11:36 AM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 04 May 2009 10:14 AM
As Ron states Eclipse at noon was the first (and only) LJ book to feature the Magus as a main character. He was mentioned several times in other books but I can't recall which ones or what was said.
Jim
My recollection, dim though it may be, is that LJ never mentioned time travel and Magus in the same breath. It occurred to me as a possibility (or at least as the basis for a hellscape myth) because the bionic technology Magus requires would have been lost after nukeday. If that was the case, he couldn't be a creation of the DL present; he has to be the product of another time. Because he's bionic, he could have had a much longer than normal lifespan--he could have been alive since before nukeday. Or he could have access to other advanced technology, like time travel--he could have come from the past or the future. Those were the options I saw. And because I like mysteries I left the issue unresolved. |
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captainbasilNew Member Posts:30
| 5/5/2009 9:04 AM |
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I enjoyed The Magus and would love to see him pop up once in a while as long as he isn't over-used. I see him as the "Professor Moriarty" of Deathlands.
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125 
| 5/8/2009 2:56 AM |
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I'm not seein Magus returnin anytime soon.....but I think even tho Delphi is gone his work with stickies may come back into play......what would happen if Ryan run into a stickie with the same will to live as the companions have.....talk about a new member.....thats a good one
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JettaManDanBasic Member Posts:252
| 5/19/2009 1:57 PM |
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I think an all out battle head to head with Magnus would be cool..and have him die in a very silly way that would piss him off...like coat him in degreaser so that he joints don't work or something..and then spray him with water and leave him out in the sun to rust...slow sad death!
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dean_cawdor1977New Member Posts:29
| 5/21/2009 1:04 AM |
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this is to Diablo.... there is a book about a stickie with the will to live as strong as the Gangs.. and now for the life of me I am drawing a blank on the book title.. Ryan and Krysty get kidnapped by a gang of stickies led by a stickie that is smart, educated and has a past history with Ryan and J.B. I could always run downstairs to find the title out but I will let somone else rack their brain.. ok nah I just looked through the archives.. Its MOON FATE...
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125
| 5/23/2009 12:42 AM |
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Awwww yes Moon Fate....I forgot about that book Dean.I'll read over it and see if "Charlie"? is the kinda stickie I was talkin about...
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Millennial ManNew Member Posts:34
| 5/23/2009 1:54 AM |
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Magus upon some reflection reminds me of the terminator only worse. He can't be bargined with, reasoned and to boot likes to use stickes and poison gas. He is one creature that is interesting to read. He gives me the willies and I just have a visceral feeling of seeing dead.. He is is a pure psycopathic personality.
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Bury The SunNew Member Posts:94 
| 7/6/2009 8:17 AM |
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I like the fact that little is known about Magus, it allows the authors almost infinite possibilities... my question is what if he were to find Delphi's redoubt full of cybernetic bodyparts and completely repair/ upgrade himself? The chance to become a "real boy" ya know. lol
But seriously, we're talking Super Magus here!
Sun
"Better to have weapons and not need them, than to not have weapons when you do need them." -Trader
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theduplemanNew Member Posts:19
| 7/6/2009 4:32 PM |
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i find him unusual and quite interesting too
The other british one
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125
| 7/11/2009 12:12 AM |
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I like the way ur thinkin Sun.If Magus did run across said redoubt with parts for him then who chould stop him?And what if these new parts gave him controll over hunter droids and such.Yea a "Super Magus"
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Bury The SunNew Member Posts:94
| 7/11/2009 9:03 AM |
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I hadn't even thought about those ramifications... but the storyline would have to somehow involve Doc going crazy thinking he saw Delphi/ knowing that some terrible deed could be none other than Delphi's work, Ryan being pissed cause he "knows for radblasted sure that Delphi is dead" etc... great battle sequences though, Magus could actually stand and fight maybe? Unlike his usual M.O.
All in all a great villain, he makes me want to jump through a page and unload a boat load of shells into him. Thank you for appreciating my point of view.
Sun
"Better to have weapons and not need them, than to not have weapons when you do need them." -Trader
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 7/11/2009 4:40 PM |
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Wow a super Magus that would have to be a trilogy . |
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Harry Whittleberry 2Basic Member Posts:116
| 7/17/2009 12:41 PM |
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I've not read a lot of the older books as I only came on the DL series about a year back. the magus sounds like a real nasty kind of enemy for the group to be hunted by book after book.
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125
| 7/24/2009 10:26 PM |
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It may take 3 books to pull off a "Super Magus" storyline skull.But it could happen kinda like this.....1st book Magus finds said redoubt and bulksup.2nd book finds Magus goin after Ryans home.3rd book has Ryan fightin Magus to the death.{winks}
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