Daeglan New Member Posts:20  
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So I have started the series and I have some questions.
1. What is the groups goal? They seem to wander aimlessly with no real goal.
2. Why can they not figure out Mat Trans codes. It would seem to me that you could note the settings before leaving and upon arrival write down the destinations. rinse and repeat and you will eventually have codes. use just return after a half hour and you could step through the codes till you know most of them.
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71 
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Posted By Daeglan on 31 May 2010 08:24 PM
So I have started the series and I have some questions.
1. What is the groups goal? They seem to wander aimlessly with no real goal.
2. Why can they not figure out Mat Trans codes. It would seem to me that you could note the settings before leaving and upon arrival write down the destinations. rinse and repeat and you will eventually have codes. use just return after a half hour and you could step through the codes till you know most of them. Finally someone else say this out loud! My biggest problem is the "aimless wandering" A simple explanation is that if they did not wander aimlessly the books would not have a basis for new stories? (it does irritate me,but I understand why they do it) I have thought many times that they are stupid for not holding up in a good ville or a redoubt w/endless supplies like they have walked away from many times. But if they did that I assume the authors would have no new surprises for us? As far as the mat trans codes you should read all of the first 33 books and I am pretty sure it explains that the codes are lost and the only means they have of navigating at all is by hitting the LD "Last Destination" button? (although a few of their foes somehow did mange to find out how to navigate,like the Samurai) My explanation is again,it would have made the books less interesting if they were not being randomly popped around? Just my thoughts. "Looks Like We Time Trawled Us A Real Triple Dickhead"
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Ghost WolfNew Member Posts:1
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Most of the time they are trying to get away from something or someone. But that's just what they do anyway. Ryan and JB are not the type to settle down. Anytime they stay in 1 place too long they get antsy and have to get on the move. 85% of the time it's because they are in danger though. They always talk about settling down but never do. They could have ended it at Homeward Bound because they had the perfect place to settle down but Ryan wanted to move on. An the author wanted to write more books.  For the Mat Trans codes. It would take forever and then some. No one unit uses the same code as another unit for the same destination. Gateway Y uses 1234 to show up at gateway X but gateway Z uses 4321 to show up at gateway X. Not to mention they can barely survive multiple jumps so close together. It would just take too long. |
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
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So the Mat Trans works kinda like a Stargate in that the code is slightly different from every gate?
I think my biggest issue with the series is that there is no goal for the characters. Just wanting to move doesn't make sense.
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The Phantom Basic Member Posts:219 
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I think most of the characters crave adventure more than they want a place to settle down.
Jak tried to settle down at one point, but that ended up not working out to well and I don't think he wants to do that again. Ryan and JB both I think need to continue adventuring, it's just in their blood.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke  Veteran Member Posts:1060 
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Posted By Daeglan on 31 May 2010 08:24 PM
1. What is the groups goal? They seem to wander aimlessly with no real goal.
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they are looking for a new continent –or was that new continuity?
Ouch !
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
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Posted By The Phantom on 01 Jun 2010 07:05 PM
I think most of the characters crave adventure more than they want a place to settle down.
Jak tried to settle down at one point, but that ended up not working out to well and I don't think he wants to do that again. Ryan and JB both I think need to continue adventuring, it's just in their blood.
And yet the characters don't seem to have any goals at all. I haven't read many of the books so I can't speak to character developement over time. Its like you just watch the characters flail around in the dark.
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71
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Simple explanation as I already said about the lack of a goal and the aimless wandering:
There is no real explanation.
It's only because the series needs to continue manufacturing books to make money for Gold Eagle and no single author is writing the books consistently.
Take away the aimless wandering and you take away the need to write any more stories.
It is not because JB and Ryan are not wanting to "settle down "because they have the "wanderlust" etc..
The entire premise for the series is their wandering around and getting into new adventures like David Carradine in "Kung Fu".
DeathLands might not sell as well if they settle down and have kids and live happily ever after?
I know the series is not logical.
You and I would settle down w/Krysty & Mildred,make babies and live as quiet al ife as possible.
That might not make for interesting reading though perhaps?
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
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Or they could set up a redoubt as a base of operations and go out looking to improve things then return to restock and go out again. Mix repeat. the goal of improving things.
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71
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Sure.
Why not?
I have tried figuring out myself a way to take away the illogic that the books use as a basis to make new stories,but to no avail.
I think the series started off with them wandering from place to place and even though we think that is silly,just like the weapons being silly/clothes/characters never deffecate,etc..Gold Eagle has a policy that no matter what each new author writes about or has happen in the story,at the end the essential characters are not aloud to change clothing, weapons,die,age,or go through any other "change".
I do think that the original writer Laurence James was not restricted by these rules as he killed off major characters,changed the weapons at least once,and added new characters to the group like Mildred and Michael Brother.
I think if LJ would not have died we would not have this thread going and we would have no complaints? "Looks Like We Time Trawled Us A Real Triple Dickhead"
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The PhantomBasic Member Posts:219
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Posted By Daeglan on 02 Jun 2010 11:40 PM
Or they could set up a redoubt as a base of operations and go out looking to improve things then return to restock and go out again. Mix repeat. the goal of improving things.
That would sound a little like... Outlanders! |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269 
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As has been pointed out here many times before...it's interesting how most of the suggestions to improve DL always involve imitating Outlanders.  |
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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And has also been pointed out many times, those who pointed that out were basing itheir points on complete assumptions not hard fact.
Do I have to say it again?
Oh, you insist, do ya?
All right .
>sigh<
Outlanders would have been published whether DL was around or not. The DL connection was stuck on at the last minute and has flapped from OL's ass-cheeks like a scrap of toilet paper for the last 13 years.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
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Posted By Jax2 on 06 Jun 2010 07:12 PM
And has also been pointed out many times, those who pointed that out were basing itheir points on complete assumptions not hard fact.
Do I have to say it again?
Oh, you insist, do ya?
All right .
>sigh<
Outlanders would have been published whether DL was around or not. The DL connection was stuck on at the last minute and has flapped from OL's ass-cheeks like a scrap of toilet paper for the last 13 years.
Sorry, you appear to have missed my sarcasm... I had hoped the "Ducks for cover" and all the smilies would have given you a clue? =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346 
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Posted By Jax2 on 06 Jun 2010 07:12 PM
And has also been pointed out many times, Outlanders would have been published whether DL was around or not. The DL connection was stuck on at the last minute and has flapped from OL's ass-cheeks like a scrap of toilet paper for the last 13 years.
Ewwwww! For 13 years I wondered where that horrible smell was coming from. And here I blamed the poor dog. Seriously though, differences in the two series are considerable. Night and day, in fact. OL is science fiction with an overall series story arc; DL is men’s adventure with some science-fictiony elements and nowhere to go. Maybe LJ could have forced some big changes down GE’s throat, but I doubt it. Otherwise, he would’ve pulled it off well before Book 32. I tried to mess with the formula during my DL sojourn, even going so far as to trick GE into giving me two consecutive books (Plague Lords and Dark Resurrection) so I could actually tell a fully developed story for once. And as my last gasp I got to add a third installment to the Shadow World mini-series, Doom Helix, which comes out in September. The duology and the trilogy are deadends, albeit elaborate. Just flapping in the breeze.  |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 06 Jun 2010 07:28 PM
Sorry, you appear to have missed my sarcasm...
I had hoped the "Ducks for cover" and all the smilies would have given you a clue?
I didn't miss your sarcasm...but there may actually be one or two genuine newbies here who would have and not understand that you were slyly referencing a groundless defense put forth here by the DL-Only crowd for the last decade-plus. So I figured I'd just post the truth straight from the buttonhole without my usual half-assed attempt at diplomacy. More complete BS has been posted about Outlanders and its genesis than ever was posted about DL, despite its much more complicated origin and writing history. Here are a couple of the more common turds that are habitually posted about OL on the various forums here over the last few years. (You can tell by the smilies which ones are the most lacking in any sub-atomic particles of truth.) (1) DL was such a wild, runaway and popular success Harlequin decided to publish a spin-off...even though it took them nearly a decade to get around to it.  (2) Laurence James actually created Outlanders, but was unable to write it...even though he had quit GE six months before I started working on the proposal that eventually became OL.  (3) I created and wrote 95 percent of the Outlanders series under the instruction and constant supervison of the GE editorial staff--all two of 'em.  Alan--I agree. If LJ had any inclination to expand the canvas of DL, he certainly would have made the attempt to do so in the decade he worked on the series. As it is, he still managed something unique...writing an SF series that displayed not only a contempt for basic science and logic but an apparent loathing of it. |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
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Posted By Jax2 on 06 Jun 2010 08:59 PM
As it is, he still managed something unique...writing an SF series that displayed not only a contempt for basic science and logic but an apparent loathing of it.
Hooray?  |
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
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"It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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NicodemusNew Member Posts:17 
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RE: AP
Holy ****
Never realized the actual authors posted here, thats superb!
I really enjoyed your two books which took the companions on a intrigueing journey to South America, it built on the regrowth of quality the series has established lately with the likes of Vengeance trail, Cannibal moon etc etc....I hope you stay on board.
I'm Looking forward to your next installment....speaking of which....Any small hints you can give us mere fans about the upcoming novel based off shadow world and breakthrough?
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NicodemusNew Member Posts:17
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Wow, I tried to quote a post and when I hit submit the computer just imploded. Nukeblast!11!!!one11!!!!!11  |
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71
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Despite the many reasons why the Outlanders book is a "superb" work of sci-fi stated by Jax2 and others,for some strange reason DL seems to far outsell and appeals to a much broader fanbase of us beer drinking gun loving non rpg role playing types.
(Sarcasm intended,pls do not flame me to death)
I don't think either series is "better" they just appeal to 2 different types of men is all.
No insult intended.
Outlandersdoes have the continuity DL lacks and the direction it lacks.
But IMO only DL has the far more interesting and original characters like Ryan,Jak,Doc,JB,Kristy.Mildred,and Dean.
Domi seems like a jak rippoff with the albino hair and Brigid Baptiste is also a redhead?
C,mon?
Kane seems taken off Ryan to me.
Lakesh and Grant though seem completely original.
THese are just my opinions and not meant to incense any OL fans into a flame war.
POlite disagreements are fine by me.
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NicodemusNew Member Posts:17
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Grant is hardly original.
A mixture of somewhat being a weapons specialist, short and quick with words, and being of partially african american heritage(just from the first outlanders book)
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I wonder which couple in Deathlands may birth such offspring
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71
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Posted By Nicodemus on 09 Jun 2010 03:58 AM
Grant is hardly original.
A mixture of somewhat being a weapons specialist, short and quick with words, and being of partially african american heritage(just from the first outlanders book)
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I wonder which couple in Deathlands may birth such offspring
Thanks,I missed Grant.You just furthered my point that OL is not as original as OL fans like to state at DL's expense. Maybe Lakesh is a wee bit like Doc too? Hmmmm? "Looks Like We Time Trawled Us A Real Triple Dickhead"
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Posted By RYAN'S BASTARD SON on 09 Jun 2010 03:39 AM
Despite the many reasons why the Outlanders book is a "superb" work of sci-fi stated by Jax2 and others,for some strange reason DL seems to far outsell and appeals to a much broader fanbase of us beer drinking gun loving non rpg role playing types.
(Sarcasm intended,pls do not flame me to death)
THese are just my opinions and not meant to incense any OL fans into a flame war.
POlite disagreements are fine by me. Ah, the summertime tradition of Jamesaxler.com continues...DL Only fans released from school (or prison) return to take over the site with their horde of sockpuppets, trying to ignite flame wars while they hypocritically protest that's not what they're doing at all...
Continually confusing their subjective interpretations with facts--like, for example where did I employ the term "superb" in regards to Outlanders? Secure in their belief that their assumptions based only on wishes are exactly the same as facts...like sales figures for example. (Sarcasm intended...these are just my opinions and not meant to incense any DL fans into a flame war...God forbid we should have a repetition of last summer when one DL-Only fan kept igniting flame wars, would get banned, return under aliases, threaten people--inclluding the site owner and myself--until he finally went away forever... Yeah, good thing that guy and his many aliases and sock-puppets is gone for good. Come to think of it...polite disagreements were fine by him, too.  ) |
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Ron MilesWebsite Owner  Commander In Chief Posts:864 
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Thing 1 - Sales: How can anyone outside of GE/Harlequin make any kind of assertions about sales? Sales figures on the series are not published anywhere that I am aware of, nor am I aware of any qualitative proof that any particular GE series outsells any other. I honestly have no idea about the sales figures, and I would dare to say that I am better connected on that front than anyone on this site besides the authors themselves.
Thing 2 - Endless DL/OL Flame Wars: In a word - don't. You can couch it in as much aw-shucks-don't-flame-me-it's-just-my-opinion as you like, and it's still a trollish dick move. So just don't. You like one series better than the other? Cool. I love meat lover's pizza and can't gag down a vegetarian pizza if my life depended on it. Who cares? Different people like different things, and if they didn't it would be a pretty boring world. Shorter version - knock it off now and play nice.
Thing 3 - Sock Puppets: I don't know if RBS is OEC, and thus far I haven't really cared because there has been a surge in new conversation on the site and most of it has been positive. I will begin to care very rapidly if the level of discourse descends into the gutter. Rule of thumb: if you make my job suck as owner of this site, you will be shown the door.
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mikeclrBasic Member Posts:197 
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Deathlands is far from "original".
It originated at the time as GE's answer to then popular post-nuke series such as Endworld, Blade, Outrider, and Traveler and particularly the movies The Road Warrior and Damnation Alley.
Damnation Alley was indeed damn near a blueprint for DL...war wagons, giant muties, red skies...
Don't forget the other lesser paperback "radioactive Rambo" series that saw print before DL such as The Warlord, The Last Ranger, The Doomsday Warrior, The Mystic Rebel, Phoenix, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum...
Should I even mention the superb (yeah, I said it) The Survivalist by Jerry Ahern which started the whole damned sub-genre?
LJ himself incorporated many, many ideas from his earlier western and SF works into the DL series.
All which far preceded DL!
Original? Hardly.
I save that word for the concepts and creativity presented in the Outlanders series.
OL mixed paranormal mythology, fringe science, Fortean legends and high adventure pulp action into a sophisticated mix that transcends the genre!
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
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And that's just scratching the surface!
"It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
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RE: AP
Holy ****
Never realized the actual authors posted here, thats superb!
I really enjoyed your two books which took the companions on a intrigueing journey to South America, it built on the regrowth of quality the series has established lately with the likes of Vengeance trail, Cannibal moon etc etc....I hope you stay on board.
I'm Looking forward to your next installment....speaking of which....Any small hints you can give us mere fans about the upcoming novel based off shadow world and breakthrough?
Nicodemus, There are several GE authors (urr, ex-authors )who post here, including Jax2 (Mark Ellis)--see his comments above and throughout the site. As to my "staying onboard at GE," that ship sailed a year and a half ago. No mas. Doom Helix hint: Dean isn't an only child. AP |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Posted By Nicodemus on 09 Jun 2010 03:58 AM
Grant is hardly original.
A mixture of somewhat being a weapons specialist, short and quick with words, and being of partially african american heritage(just from the first outlanders book)
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I wonder which couple in Deathlands may birth such offspring
Grant is six feet four...hardly makes him short. He's not quick with words, either. He's as much of a weapons specialist as Kane, which makes him not a specialist. There is no reference to him being of partial African American heritage in the first Outlanders novel whatsoever. Full heritage more like it. There are scores of other differences established over 13 years worth of books, but you're not interested...you're only interested in putting forward the same tiresome agenda that keeps getting new life breathed into it here every summer, as regular and as interesting as bowel movements, when the "BOO-YAH! DL ROOLS!" discussions run out of steam....which they inevitably do after about a month. Then, you guys start getting bored and twitchy and look around for something else to spice up the place, so you throw out lies about Outlanders. And then you feign outrage when you get the response you've hoping for and start screaming the OL-Only fanatics are beatin' up on you again when you only came in here to smell the posies and pet the bunny rabbits. How about skipping that whole routine of predictable dumbassery just this one summer? Just move on to the next step. Like--how about giving Ryan a new gun?!?! |
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mikeclrBasic Member Posts:197
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Mark said it all, as usual, but left out one thing.
The inevitable racism that tends to pop up!
(Or did we cover that with "Ryan's afro"?)
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RYAN'S BASTARD SONNew Member Posts:71
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Look,Jax 2 only copied part of my post and I think him and the site owner double teaming me over my post is a bit extreme to say the least."A trollish dick thing to say"
I'm sorry MR Miles but that was rude and unneccessary,site owner or not.
I am obeying all the site rules as I read them well when I joined and I am breaking none of them.I did not say anything to start a flame war and I did not say I am a DL fan only,I read both!
Jax 2 was insulting and being a "Trollish dick",not me,but he is your friend apparently,so I guess I am screwed.
I wll walk away now if this is the kind of treatment I can expect from a site that up till now I have enjoyed.
No banning necessary.
Sorry for the confussion,but Mike,my stating that Ryan has an afro is hardly racist as it is a well known fact that african americans hair have a predesposed genetic condition that causes the hair to grow in that manner.
Mr MIles I have no intention of making your job hard,I have an entire life thta exists outside of this site.
I come here to talk about a series of books I read and to discuss them with others as wll.
I am not here to be insulted or threatened by anyone.
I am actually quite shocked by your words considering you have put together an incredible site and are the moderator/owner/etc. "Looks Like We Time Trawled Us A Real Triple Dickhead"
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Posted By RYAN'S BASTARD SON on 10 Jun 2010 07:30 AM
I am not here to be insulted or threatened by anyone.
Apparently that's your department, at least in regards to insults. Interesting that if you're a fan of OL, you've yet to post anything about the series except some superficial, generally disapproving and fundamentally untrue observations about it. This game has been played here many times before over the years and it always ends the same way. If Ron and the veteran members of this site who still care about the place no longer have any patience for it, then you need to move the game somewhere else. Millennial Man, Nicodemus, "Ryan's Bastard Son"  --this whole Fox News approach of cheap shots and lies is so played. If you know nothing about the Outlanders series beyond what you've skimmed here, just stick to DL-related topics. At least the "Ryan's Afro" topic is new, even though it's pretty much a dead-end discussion wise. |
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Ron MilesWebsite Owner Commander In Chief Posts:864
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Argh. I hate having to clean up messes like this. And yes, it was Chris Dyer (a.k.a. One Eye Chills, a.k.a. One Eyed Vengeance, a.k.a Another One Eyed Chiller) again. I am sure he will be back again. And I am sure I will have a profanity-laden email in my inbox shortly.
In other news, water is wet and fire burns.
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Wish I could gasp, "It can't be!" but I was fairly certain of his true identity all the time. The screen name was the primary tip-off.
Note to trollers and sock-puppeteers: Take care not to misspell the same words and employ the same slang (usually misspelled) in all of your various incarnations. Kind of a tip-off as to your real self and your intrinsic stupidity, y'know?
Sort of like skulking back under yet another screen name, but borrowed from a character in a movie that your earlier incarnations frequently cited as a favorite...like--oh, I dunno-300.
I'll probably get an obscenity-peppered threatening email from Dyer myself...if it's at all similar to the one I received last year, I'm going to turn it over to the FBI.
To all you well-meaning DL fans out there--Dyer is the kind of DL Only Fan Stereotype the OL Fanatics warn you about.
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
| 6/10/2010 11:40 PM |
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OK Hijacking my thread back and putting it on topic so to speak.
So I am now listening to Homeward bound. Why did they evacuate the redoubts? That makes no sense to me. Wasn't the point to be that the Redoubts be a safety net?
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NicodemusNew Member Posts:17
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In fear of dragging the thread off topic again...
wasnt it mentioned in outlanders that the majority eventually fled to the Anthill complex because it had a massive amount of stores and was pretty much a city in a mountain? But then the anthill complex blocked their mat trans code eventually as there were simply far too many people migrating there.... Not sure if I got this correct or not. Note: post edited by Lokheed for formatting |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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You're absolutely correct, laddie.
Most of the materiel' in the Totality Concept-connected redoubts was transported to The Anthill, as did the personnel. But after a certain point, the Anthill's resources were far too strained, so the people in charge left the survivors to fend for themselves.
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
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Posted By Jax2 on 10 Jun 2010 08:48 PM
I'll probably get an obscenity-peppered threatening email from Dyer myself...if it's at all similar to the one I received last year, I'm going to turn it over to the FBI.
To all you well-meaning DL fans out there--Dyer is the kind of DL Only Fan Stereotype the OL Fanatics warn you about.
The guy threatened me on your forum too. He said he'd send me an airline ticket so we could meet face to face to the hog wallow he lived in but I'm still waiting.  "It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
| 6/11/2010 6:26 PM |
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Posted By Jax2 on 11 Jun 2010 08:04 AM
You're absolutely correct, laddie.
Most of the materiel' in the Totality Concept-connected redoubts was transported to The Anthill, as did the personnel. But after a certain point, the Anthill's resources were far too strained, so the people in charge left the survivors to fend for themselves.
So do they ever seem to act towards restoring things? seems like they pulled in created there little city and ignored the world... |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/11/2010 8:49 PM |
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More like a deep-freeze combined with an insane asylum.
Frankly, the answers to most of the questions you ask aren't going to be found in DL, but in Outlanders.
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
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I take it the inbreeding problem again. Ok I am getting there but I wanted to listen in order and near as I can tell it goes Deathlands then outlands. |
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
| 6/12/2010 2:25 AM |
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Stoneface (I think that's the one) explains some of what happens to the inhabitants of the Anthill.
I have a question: Why was the gate program named Project Cerberus? I thought it would've made more sense for that to be the program that developed the actual "watchdog" mist creature that guarded Redoubt Bravo...
And... what does Overproject Whisper encompass? For example, is it programs related to weapons R&D, space travel, COG, etc.? I've been trying to wrap my brain around this, and the inherent contradictions in all the information I've been able to piece together are enough to make me bang my head on the desk in frustration.
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125 
| 6/12/2010 3:29 AM |
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Lmao....That prison remark was funny....The sockpuppets wasn't.So what are you doin?Callin out everyone who called "the banned one" a buddy?Talk about startin &$it.This is a DL's forum right.Yall need to take that OL talk to its forum.
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125
| 6/12/2010 3:54 AM |
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I cant let this go.Everything Jax is saying about us should get him banned also.Just because I call "that guy" a friend doesn't mean I and we should be called sockpuppets.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
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Posted By Kerrick on 12 Jun 2010 02:25 AM
I have a question: Why was the gate program named Project Cerberus? I thought it would've made more sense for that to be the program that developed the actual "watchdog" mist creature that guarded Redoubt Bravo...
And... what does Overproject Whisper encompass? For example, is it programs related to weapons R&D, space travel, COG, etc.?
It was called Project Cerberus because thats what either Jack Adrian or Laurence James decided to call it ! Its not real and just a figment of the writers imagination. I guess he chose Cerberus as that like the gateway project is multi headed (many gates) and as Cerberus guards the gate to Hades (the unknown so to speak -only the dead can go there )so the gateways guarded the entrance to many unknowns themselves. And Overproject Whisper I guess the answer is Yes to all of the above... Just my thoughts on it. I think the guardian is named in one of the OL books -but I'm not 100% sure (perhaps Mark can assist here?) =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
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=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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Ron MilesWebsite Owner Commander In Chief Posts:864
| 6/12/2010 8:01 AM |
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Posted By Diablo on 12 Jun 2010 03:54 AM
I cant let this go.Everything Jax is saying about us should get him banned also.Just because I call "that guy" a friend doesn't mean I and we should be called sockpuppets.
sockpuppet: (noun) A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an online community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks with or about himself or herself, pretending to be a
different person, like a ventriloquist manipulating
a hand puppet. ( ref. Wikipedia) In other words, every time Chris Dyer comes in here and creates a new account and begins posting (almost invariably with a first post that says something along the lines of "hey, I'm new here, be nice to me, I don't know my way around"), he has created a sockpuppet account. Sockpuppet is not a reference to you, Diablo, it is a reference to him. I believe the term you are looking for is Stalking Horse. "Sadly then I knew the answer. All her life she was a dancer, but no one ever played the song she knew." - The Residents
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 6/12/2010 9:39 AM |
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Posted By Kerrick on 12 Jun 2010 02:25 AM
I've been trying to wrap my brain around this, and the inherent contradictions in all the information I've been able to piece together are enough to make me bang my head on the desk in frustration. Kerrick, Welcome to the world of the post-LJ DL writer. I wore a crash helmet to work. That said, Mr. James was an intelligent man and a seasoned professional writer—he was smart enough and experienced enough to give GE exactly what it deserved. Because I never had personal contact with him, I don’t know what his feelings were about passing the series and its many unresolved contradictions and inconsistencies over to other writers—Baz might be able to fill us in on that. Perhaps he put them there on purpose? Perhaps it was “Apres moi le deluge”? Translation: "I'm going to screw this up so much no one can straighten it out." If so, the seemingly never-quite-over discussion on this site “Who among you is fit to carry his banner?” must bring a smile to his ghostly lips. AP |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Posted By Kerrick on 12 Jun 2010 02:25 AM
And... what does Overproject Whisper encompass? For example, is it programs related to weapons R&D, space travel, COG, etc.? I've been trying to wrap my brain around this, and the inherent contradictions in all the information I've been able to piece together are enough to make me bang my head on the desk in frustration. Overproject Whisper encompassed Project Cerberus, Operation Chronos and various other sub-divisions. Space travel fell under the Overproject Majestic umbrella and included Mission Snowbird and Project Sigma. The guardian of the Cerberus redoubt was a forcefield powered by particles of antimatter. The creator of Project Cerberus was Mohandus Lakesh Singh. As I posted earlier, most of the answers to the questions you're seeking have been addressed in the Outlanders series. The information isn't really all that contradictory. I took pains to make it consistent, at least insofar as my own work in the Axlerverse was concerned. If you check out the Outlanders Archives link here on the site, you'll find a pretty solid overview of the whole thing. |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/12/2010 10:33 AM |
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Posted By Diablo on 12 Jun 2010 03:54 AM
I cant let this go.Everything Jax is saying about us should get him banned also.Just because I call "that guy" a friend doesn't mean I and we should be called sockpuppets. I didn't call you a sock-puppet. You don't post often enough in here to even register in my awareness...although I do find it significant you've returned to do so after Chris Dyer has been banned for the fifth or sixth time... And he was banned again for doing the same thing over and over again and apparently thinking he was going to get a different result. That's Einstein's definition of insanity, y'know. All I did was call him out--and I didn't even really do that. I just made an oblique reference to my very strong suspicion that Ryan's Stupid Bastard --I mean Ryan's Bastard Son-- was just Dyer's latest incarnation.* So, he skulks back in here under an alias after being banned multiple times, compulsively starts the same crap that got him banned before, is found out and banned again--twice within 24 hours. He also makes threats against Ron and me (again)-- And now you're on the muscle because I was the first one to mention who I thought Ryan's Stupid Bastard--I mean Ryan's Bastard Son--really was? That's a very interesting set of ethics and values you have. Instead of muttering about why I wasn't banned for daring to expose him, you should ask Dyer why he couldn't exert some control over his ego... Why he couldn't man up, email Ron, apologize for last year's hostile excesses and threats, and ask for his membership to be reinstated? That would have been the straightforward, honest, mature and manly thing to do. *A tip o' the hat to Cerberus Man for that euphemism |
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DaeglanNew Member Posts:20
| 6/12/2010 11:38 AM |
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Can I ask the powers that be to split off the discussion about captain butthead out of my thread? It is kinda off topic and I am really not interested in reading about captain butthead.
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
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@AP: Thanks.
Posted By Jax2 on 12 Jun 2010 10:15 AM
Overproject Whisper encompassed Project Cerberus, Operation Chronos and various other sub-divisions. Space travel fell under the Overproject Majestic umbrella and included Mission Snowbird and Project Sigma.
The guardian of the Cerberus redoubt was a forcefield powered by particles of antimatter.
The creator of Project Cerberus was Mohandus Lakesh Singh.
As I posted earlier, most of the answers to the questions you're seeking have been addressed in the Outlanders series.
The information isn't really all that contradictory. I took pains to make it consistent, at least insofar as my own work in the Axlerverse was concerned. If you check out the Outlanders Archives link here on the site, you'll find a pretty solid overview of the whole thing.
Sorry, I was referring solely to the DL books. I've only read the first few OL books, but I have seen the archives - they're pretty comprehensive, though sadly out of date (and the Overproject Whisper section is missing). The DL site has some bare-bones info on Whisper - it mentions the same projects you did, and that's about it. I didn't know that about the Cerberus construct. Did it have a name besides the one Doc gave it, or did the whitecoats not bother? I suppose calling it Cerberus would be mildly confusing, all things considered, but it is a rather appropriate name.  Thanks for the reply and the information. |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 6/12/2010 4:42 PM |
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Posted By Kerrick on 12 Jun 2010 12:25 PM
Sorry, I was referring solely to the DL books. I didn't know that about the Cerberus construct. Did it have a name besides the one Doc gave it, or did the whitecoats not bother? The official desigination of the Cerberus Redoubt was Redoubt Bravo. Like I said, solid and consistent information about the Totality Concept projects, the mat-trans, Operation Chronos, "muties", et. al. is extremely rare in the DL series. All that stuff is dealt with much more frequently, much more upfront and in-depth in Outalnders. |
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Cerberus ManBasic Member Posts:144
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Posted By Jax2 on 12 Jun 2010 04:42 PM
All that stuff is dealt with much more frequently, much more upfront and in-depth in Outalnders.
Not to mention much more intelligently with a grounding in speculative science and not what amounts to magic. "It's better to have a blaster and not need it than to need it and--"
"Oh, spare me," Brigid said irritably.
(Kane and Brigid Baptiste from Armageddon Axis)
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DiabloBasic Member Posts:125
| 7/3/2010 1:50 AM |
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Man whatever...I'm lettin this Chris crap go.Jax your the man and cant no one mess with ya............
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
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Uh... What?  |
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
| 7/3/2010 6:54 PM |
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Sounds like someone's drunk posting. It's the 4th of July weekend, after all... |
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