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ShadowTek
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9/19/2011 3:32 PM
PS.. @AP I look forward to getting that, Ive heard that book 0 is not a normal book, and I look forward to seeing whats there, of course It for me will be the audio version, hopefully all the info will be there as you talk about..
Harry Whittleberry 2
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9/20/2011 4:13 AM
To shadowtec...
The picture of ryans steyr is wrong. the rifle ryan uses is this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_SSG_69

and not the one you have a picture of. before this rifle ryan had a heckler and kock G-12 rifle which was a future version of the heckler and kock G-11 caseless rifle. in the first book he used a LAPA.
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9/20/2011 7:35 PM
thanks Harry Whittleberry 2 for the correct image  

Check that responce by medic15al hes clearly a expert on guns, thanks foe that detailed answer man!!

I guess Ill ask you this dumb question (as the answer may be obvious to others) I get that the bigger the caliber is, the more bigger the bullet and the biger the damage right? so at risk of being stupid... a 9mm is like the military choice right? why would the army not pick a 38 (that is 29 caliber bigger right?) also whats the difference between a caliber and a guage? Like a 38 caliber and a 12 guage shotgun? how many calibers are in a guage, or am I a compleate idiot for asking that (Its ok make fun of me at will I Imagine I deserve it) Its just that you seem to know allot about guns, and I guess if I dont ask, Ill never know..
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9/20/2011 8:32 PM
Re: M-4000 et al: those could simply be typos; after all, 4000 is one digit removed from 3000. OTOH, Ryan uses an SSG-70 (not a 69), as well as the G-12, so I'm betting it was a deliberate "weapons of the future" thing.

Oh, and can I put those pics on the wiki? They would be a great addition.

Re: Calibers: .38 is how big it is in inches. 9 mm is, of course, how big it is in mm. One inch is 2.54 cm (25.4 mm), so they're roughly the same size (.38 cal is 9.65 mm). [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber]this article talks all about calibers[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_(bore_diameter)]this article[/url] goes into detail about gauges (I must admit, I'm not a gun nut, so I had to look it up ). As for why the military uses 9 mm vs. .38... I think they just preferred using an automatic vs. a revolver (most, but not all, .38s are revolvers; I think automatics were just easier/cheaper to come by, plus they hold more rounds).
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9/20/2011 8:40 PM
ahh crap.. I didnt think mm vs caliber (9mm vs 38 cal) I didnt know that lol, thanks, as far as the images, they were all taken from public store type sites, so yes you can legally use them in the wiki, I purposely didnt pic private images
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9/21/2011 2:29 AM
I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago.
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9/21/2011 6:28 AM
Posted By ShadowTek on 20 Sep 2011 07:35 PM
thanks Harry Whittleberry 2 for the correct image  

Check that responce by medic15al hes clearly a expert on guns, thanks foe that detailed answer man!!

I guess Ill ask you this dumb question (as the answer may be obvious to others) I get that the bigger the caliber is, the more bigger the bullet and the biger the damage right? so at risk of being stupid... a 9mm is like the military choice right? why would the army not pick a 38 (that is 29 caliber bigger right?) also whats the difference between a caliber and a guage? Like a 38 caliber and a 12 guage shotgun? how many calibers are in a guage, or am I a compleate idiot for asking that (Its ok make fun of me at will I Imagine I deserve it) Its just that you seem to know allot about guns, and I guess if I dont ask, Ill never know..


A 9mm is a .355 caliber, or diameter, of the bullet. a .38 is actualy a .357 diameter.

a modern .44 Magnum or special uses a .429 caliber ( Which sounds better, 44 mag or 43 mag?)

Doc's original LeMat .44 cal used .457 diameter balls (slightly larger than today's .45, which is ..452)

The LeMat's shotgun barrel is roughly about .60 cal, a 20 Gauge is .61 cal.

Good shotgun Guage info and chart here.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...auge_(bore_diameter)
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9/21/2011 6:49 AM

Also, cartridge design plays into power as well. For example:

 

The .38 Special, which fires a .357 diameter bullet, was designed in 1898 as a black powder cartridge, hence why the case is so long proportion to powder amount,

Metric designation of the .38 Spl is 9mmx29mmR  (R denotes a rimmed cartridge)

The 9x19mm NATO (9mm Parabellum) was designed in 1902 specifically for smokeless powder which gives higher chamber pressures. So a small case is adequate to obtain the velocity.

These 2 cartridges are very close in power comparisons, but the 9mm has an edge due to smokeless design and what's called an efficient powder space.

Black powder is a relatively slower burning powder than smokeless, and more was needed to get it up to speed.

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9/21/2011 8:29 AM
Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 21 Sep 2011 02:29 AM
I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago.


HW2,
Just because someone does something for a reason doesn't make the something a good choice. If the mythical weapons in question (M-4000, g12, Steyr Model 70) aren't any different than the real ones, I don't see the point of the larger-number exercise. Isn't a different model number supposed to indicate some kind of significant change in the product? Maybe CL/LJ never bought a car, TV, or refrigerator?

To me this has always seemed a particularly weak effort by all concerned (CL, LJ, GE) especially since these guns are "signature weapons" that the companions will be forced to carry (and the ghostwriters will have to go on and on about) until the series is cancelled.
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9/21/2011 8:45 AM
Posted By AP on 21 Sep 2011 08:29 AM
Posted By Harry Whittleberry 2 on 21 Sep 2011 02:29 AM
I'm sure back a long time ago a british guy who said he knew the writer of the deathlands books said that the names and numbers of the guns were changed by him to make them sound from the future. so the m-3000 was the 4000 the g11 was the g12 and ryans pistol had a silencer. we will have to look back and see if we can see the message. it was a long time ago.


HW2,
Just because someone does something for a reason doesn't make the something a good choice. If the mythical weapons in question (M-4000, g12, Steyr Model 70) aren't any different than the real ones, I don't see the point of the larger-number exercise. Isn't a different model number supposed to indicate some kind of significant change in the product? Maybe CL/LJ never bought a car, TV, or refrigerator?

To me this has always seemed a particularly weak effort by all concerned (CL, LJ, GE) especially since these guns are "signature weapons" that the companions will be forced to carry (and the ghostwriters will have to go on and on about) until the series is cancelled.
AP

I was only saying that i rememberd a post i read a while back that said why they were called that. soory to have jumpped in on someone elses posts.
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9/21/2011 8:55 AM
Harry, no need to apologize. Feel free to jump in on any post where you have something to contribute. Differing opinions are fine.
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9/21/2011 9:14 AM
HW2,
You didn't jump in on anything. You added to the discussion. I'd forgotten that Baz said LJ told him that.
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9/21/2011 3:42 PM
Hey, Al! Ryan gets an upgrade in an upcoming book. The Steyr SSG-70 is ditched in favor of a Steyr Scout Tactical. Hopefully others will get an upgrade in due course.
medic15al
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9/21/2011 6:14 PM
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9/21/2011 9:42 PM
Shadow: Cool. I figured they were public images, but I didn't want to just yoink them and toss them up on the wiki without a a courtesy request.

Wordsmith: Really? Holy crap! First Dean comes back, then the weapons change... what's next, new party members??
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9/21/2011 10:07 PM
I had the honor of equipping Ryan with the Steyr Scout tactical in the upcoming Hell Road Warriors.  Hope you all enjoy the devastation that ensues . . .
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9/22/2011 3:18 AM
Why yes, Kerrick. New party members indeed. Well, one so far.
Harry Whittleberry 2
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9/22/2011 4:45 AM
will dean replace ryan
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9/22/2011 4:47 AM
Posted By Chuck on 21 Sep 2011 10:07 PM
I had the honor of equipping Ryan with the Steyr Scout tactical in the upcoming Hell Road Warriors.  Hope you all enjoy the devastation that ensues . . .


who said you cud do that gold eagle or you. how can you be sure it will carry over into the books after this one. its the same with docs new lemat in book 100 will he be back to his lod gun in the next book. getting things to follow on in dl books is a big problem with many writers.
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9/22/2011 6:11 AM
Well, When Doc threw his original cap-n-ball LeMat into the river, it symbolyzed a big and bold change. Doc has been for some time now perusing cartridge revolvers as an advandage.

Guns and crew have changed during the series and it has been a while, so in order to not get stagnant new material must be cycled in from time-to-time.
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